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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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the food variety might be a felony the

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Army Air Force who has announced that a

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flying death has been found and is now

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in the possession of the RA then we

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change the game changer I occasionally

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think how quickly our differences

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worldwide would vanish if we were facing

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an alien threat from outside this way

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on a game changer radio network

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I need your help to get to the year 1985

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like with Jimmy judge on the game

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changing network

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good evening fade to black

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math says

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yeah good evening how are you died it's

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Wednesday September 26 2008 een 272 days

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into the new year just 93 days left and

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as always we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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States hither and thither to and fro

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back and forth up and down east and west

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north and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer networking Keiji are a the

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planet come heroes jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing got a

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Julia mas bridge is here it's gonna join

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us and talk about precognition and time

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travel with her new book I'm holding it

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up to the cameras now there it is the

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premonition code yeah like that cover

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it's a great book to stay focus my stuff

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right here that's what I'm all about

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that's what we're gonna talk about

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tonight Precog time travel tomorrow

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night I've been waiting for this Dean

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Radin is here and I cannot wait science

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and magic and everything that he has

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been doing for so so long so important

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to this community Dean Radin will be

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with us tomorrow night

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which means no fate or night this week

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that's right no open lines nope

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it's four nights four shows four amazing

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guests that's what we chose to do this

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week here on fade to black and there you

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go and so let's just skip the show crack

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and we got a lot to do tonight and on

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code but I do it so just use my name

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tokens and get over there see what it's

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it is happening built for this community

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media and I'm sure you've been watching

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me tweet all day long sitting here

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working in the bunker you know research

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right little of this little of that

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right there

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and where am I at the sandbox is hashtag

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it's right in front of me and you guys

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are still retweeting that picture last

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night of sucralose and hendrik of me oh

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man I wonder I think sooo close is like

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so I don't know if he's on social media

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but he loved this pic and the fade to

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black banner in the background behind

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the two is pretty funny

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and so that still getting around and

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that's what you do follow me on twitter

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@jj radio hashtag F 2 B is the sandbox

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deck is just takes it's all automated

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don't have to click notifications or do

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anything it's just all up and in front

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of you and just clicks bye

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I've got notifications for myself in one

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in another column then of course Rita so

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those are the four streams that I follow

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right there okay alright

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TweetDeck and if you haven't gotten it

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just just go and find it and download it

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I think it installs in your brow

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I still have the old version that runs

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as a program I think I don't even know

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now been using it for so long

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TweetDeck you can also email throughout

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the show Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio.com

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okay I - breaking news now this is

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something again that has probably

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slipped under your radar and that's why

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you're here right because I bring you

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this kind of stuff but breaking news

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Google has finally admitted that a

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project dragonfly air quotes project

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dragonfly is indeed in the works now

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what is project dragonfly you ask well

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I'm gonna tell you now but that's all

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the googles executives are saying right

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now they were with this codename

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you know project dragonfly and it's been

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widely reported to be some type of

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search product or search engine that the

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company is developing for China the

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prospect the thought of a Google

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sanctioned search engine for China

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sounds insane it does because it is a

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Google product that would block websites

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and search terms in accordance with

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Chinese censorship is total Big Brother

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it's very scary very scary indeed one of

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the things you just need to think about

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that it goes against all of our

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principles right but yet we will develop

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it for another country yeah it just

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feels funky because it is it's funky now

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moving on from that project dragonfly go

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look it up it's pretty interesting one

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of the funniest post I've ever read

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happened today on Facebook now I didn't

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read it directly as you know because I

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don't hang out on Facebook anymore but

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it was tweeted and I caught it there and

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it was something about

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and I dismissed it immediately by the

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Gaia Gaia TV is trying to trademark the

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word disclosure right now posting

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something like this is well it's it's

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funny and it's funny for many reasons

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but the main one is that our community

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is emotional and disclosure means so

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much to us to us all right and whatever

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the meaning of the word is for us or

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individuals disclosures a big word right

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so you go and you turn around in and say

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you know you know you know how do I say

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this right I want to say this in a

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polite way

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so so when some doofus decides to imply

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that Gaia is trying to own the word

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right well our community is emotional so

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it's like how evil it's just crazy

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because first off listen first off you

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can try to trademark whatever you want

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go for it whatever you want to pay okay

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to have something trademarked and you

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achieve the trademark and you're granted

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a trademark go for it nobody nobody

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cares but you can't own a word let's be

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clear here and what guy is probably

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doing and I don't have any insight to

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this but guy isn't any different than

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any other company or corporation you

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know what they are probably doing and

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they are well within their right to do

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so is protect their stuff that's it

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productions work whatever that may

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contain the word disclosure

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it's like end of story I mean you know

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oh man they're gonna own they're gonna

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own disclosure Wow look

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I've got I've got breaking news for not

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only the doofus that did the post on

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Facebook but anybody else out there

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that's freaking out we'll be releasing

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our own film titled disclosure next week

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nobody's gonna do anything about it

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because they can't they won't seriously

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everybody just calm down the word

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disclosure is used in all forms of media

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conversation articles and probably baby

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food every single day every second of

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everything that is on this planet and

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it's just like done but messing with

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this community's emotions by posting

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total BS for whatever reason on Facebook

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alright let's get this show crackin

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happy birthday to today Olivia

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newton-john is 70 are we getting old

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alright think about Greece first I can

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just just just think about Greece are we

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getting old when Olivia newton-john is

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70 now I know she's

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going through some cancer issues once

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again in her life that press release

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came out last week and our thoughts and

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prayers are with Olivia and happy

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birthday all right 70 years old on this

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day in history OTD 1996 u.s. astronaut

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Shannon lucid returns to Earth in the

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space shuttle Atlantis following six

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months in orbit aboard the RUS Russian

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space station Mir she was the first

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American woman to live in a space

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station and it happened on this day in

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1996 Fader fact okay here you go write

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this one down you know and my facts here

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get more unbelievable every day and

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here's one for you the cult awareness

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network may have heard of them you may

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remember them the cult awareness Network

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once listed Scientology as its number

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one most dangerous cult they did and

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then Scientology bought them out in a

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hostile takeover that's a fact

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seriously look that one up that's the

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one you're gonna whip out at a party

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this weekend I guarantee it that's

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unbelievable

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special guest julia mouse bridge is here

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and we're going to talk about

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precognition and time-travel with her

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new book the premonition code gonna hold

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it up right there the links to the book

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are over at two chimmichurri radio.com

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it's an incredible book and one that

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needs to be read and just even if even

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if you get this book for the opening

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paragraph of chapter one it's worth its

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weight in gold right there okay that

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opening chapter man it's good and that's

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our guest tonight tomorrow night Dean

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Radin is

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and again I need to emphasize a no fate

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or night this week and open lines we

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haven't done that I think in like ever

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on this show but we've got four nights

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four shows four amazing guests all right

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now tonight we're gonna discuss time

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travel and precognition and there okay

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thanks Freda

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there are two things that I'd like to

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talk about my favorite my fate I mean

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you know and guess I have guitars I'll

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love to talk Attar's I love to talk

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music movies and and an Egypt right

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these are things that that you know lost

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history and all of that but time travel

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and precognition or two of my favorite

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things seriously and and I research what

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I can when I can I watch every time

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travel movie drives read a nuts man I'll

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just I'll search time travel movies and

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I'll I'll get a list going and seriously

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I don't know how we pulled it off but

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we've seen everyone right I'm always

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looking for something else that I

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haven't seen and you know what I saw

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last night actually Late Late Late I

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couldn't sleep and I found time travel

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zero the movie about John Titor I've

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been waiting for that and I happen to

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find I watched that last night at 3

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o'clock in the morning time travel zero

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but I watch him all good bad you know it

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doesn't matter like time travel zero it

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was bad it was fun to watch though there

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are so many ways to time travel and I

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was thinking about this last night that

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you know reading Julia's book and I

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started to compile mio mind's eye

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some thoughts here for tonight because

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these are important things to talk about

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there are so many ways to time travel in

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last month Richard Dolan was on the show

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and we talked about it and talked about

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time travel and his main concern is that

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if time too

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cuz he doesn't by you know time travel

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is being a reality at least the

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nuts-and-bolts side of it right and if

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somebody time traveled according to

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Richard Dolan then the entire universe

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would too right and and his view is

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correct by the way in that instance or

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the way that he is choosing to look at

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it you know it's absolutely correct

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because he's talking about changing time

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moving time around and that would

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require enormous amounts of energy

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probably more than is even available in

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the entire universe right you know movie

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that everybody everything every planet

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everything has got to just go backwards

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in time and live it over and then what

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happens to the people in the future and

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what happened you know all of that well

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you know he's right but there are so

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many more versions of time-travel and

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the obvious I mean the the obvious the

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most easiest and already proven sort of

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is Einstein in relativity because you

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just hop on a ship that's all you do you

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hop on a ship you take off fly away from

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Earth get up to the speed of light and

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then turn around and come back that's

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all you have to do and depending on how

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long you're gone would determine about

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how much time has passed here on earth

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but one thing is for sure that

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everything every one everything that you

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have ever known will be gone hundreds if

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not thousands of years would pass you

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know it's just depends on how long

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you're gone you know that that

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round-trip but you would be a time

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traveler

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you'd be a couple of years older right

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sure but you just traveled into the

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future a thousand years now how cool is

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that

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well the answer is very right and I get

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that and

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Act sign me up I would do it I would do

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it in a second and Rita would too

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but now you would be stuck there no way

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to get back right I hope the food is

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good by the way

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but you jumped on a ship and came back

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no time machine you just cruised no

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technology

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he's just cruised right now the question

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gets more complicated of an actual time

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machine

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you know HG Wells style you know that is

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something altogether different

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and this kind of goes back a little bit

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to what Richard Dolan was talking about

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but you know John Titor ain't don't get

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me started on that

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I got Teeter on the brain after Time

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Traveller's zero but is it possible

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absolutely it is it's 100% possible and

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before you ask you know why

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well first off nobody can say that it's

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impossible they can't write in another

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another form of time travel is the mind

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time traveling with the mine and I like

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that one

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I do know time machine needed right what

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about what about seeing the past or the

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future with a visual aid you know and

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and using technology to access that

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maybe view it on a flat screen or the

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famous chronovisor you have that aspect

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of it too George Van Tassel talked about

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everything being recorded in our

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atmosphere and that we could view things

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going back seven years and that he built

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a machine to do it right here by the way

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in Southern California in downtown Santa

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Monica talked about that and and

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recording it you know pulling it out of

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the ether that everything is there now

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after seven years it goes away these

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ideas wouldn't require the physical

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bodied to go anywhere and of course you

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know eat up that Richard Dolan sized

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energy requirements but we have to

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remember a few things here the earth is

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the earth is rotating I'm gonna do I

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need a visual aid for for the I'll use

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my skull right for the camera the earth

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is rotating we know that right

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okay every 24 hours a day right earth is

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rotating but then the earth is rotating

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around the Sun too as well I'll grab a

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bigger skull this big heavy one right so

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we know this right this is what's going

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on all the time so and you have space

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involved so if this is going on and then

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this is going out at the same time how

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do you make sure that you just get

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things done correctly and you land where

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you need to land you know and if you're

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going to be disappearing and reappearing

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you know teleporting and then even

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throwing time-traveling into the mix you

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know and and not messing anything up you

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know that's really really big technology

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Dolan is not wrong well he never is but

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in this case he's really not wrong but

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that doesn't mean that it hasn't been

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solved in the future and I know this

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gets a little bit complicated but listen

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to this see if if Rita and I did take

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off at the speed of light and we

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returned ten thousand years from now and

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we managed to somehow make it back to

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earth right and earth is moving but we

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come back to her ten years ten thousand

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years from now but maybe we're ten years

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older but we find out ten thousand years

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from now that they've got time machines

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that they figured it out and that we

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don't have to be bummed out we don't

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have to be stuck in the future with the

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bad food right with the all vegan

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processed diet now we don't you know out

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of a out of a toothpaste tube no and

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they would

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return us back to here in time for Fator

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night it could happen seriously and

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that's why I enjoy time travel it's a

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thought of it and the possibility of

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Precog to be able to predict the future

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and to know the future and to see the

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future I think all of this is is not

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only a reality it's it's it's very very

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possible and if we just go down to the

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very basics of Einstein and relativity

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that version of time-travel doesn't

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require a time machine and lasers and

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he's that no it requires getting up to

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the speed of light but that is all

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possible that's all real back to John

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Titor one of the main reasons his story

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may be true and I talked about this is

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that nobody has gotten caught there is

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too much stuff to be fabricated not not

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the story well that too but but it's the

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time machine it's the graphics it's the

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manuals it's the artwork today it's

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pretty pretty easy to pull off okay you

501
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can do it but but 20 years ago not so

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much you would have had too many people

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involved that artists and engineers and

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and scientists and science fiction

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writers personalities computer experts

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you we'd have to have all of that as

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well as model fabricators and all of

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those things to pull this off right but

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nobody involved if that is the case if

510
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it was just some giant hoax done for fun

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nobody cracked and nobody came forward

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and the more complex something is when

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you're trying to keep something as

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secret and the more people involved the

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higher the possibility that somebody's

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gonna crack somebody's somebody would

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have been able to come forward about the

518
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John Titor story and been more famous

519
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than John Titor in the story itself and

520
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they could have disclosed everything

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here's the time machine here's the car

522
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we shot it in here's the

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ROG we did it here's the computers that

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we did here's the sinai here's how we

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did this here's how we made the graphics

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here's how we wrote the manuals we did

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all this how we uploaded it here's our

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IP addresses as how we did it this is

529
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why we did Florida and this all of it it

530
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would have been an amazing story and and

531
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somebody Ben would have been really

532
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famous but that never happened so the

533
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possibility is there there's no way to

534
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say that it didn't happen just like

535
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anything else you can't predict you just

536
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can't you can't do it you can't you

537
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can't so think about that for a second

538
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the future time travel you don't need a

539
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time machine you just don't and and if

540
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you were able to pull that off and come

541
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:02,760
back in 10,000 years there's no telling

542
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:04,440
what and there's no time machine

543
00:28:08,539 --> 00:28:06,210
involved and suddenly we have time

544
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travelers that are coming back here

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am your host Jimmy Church our guest

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tonight

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Julia Moss bridge we're talking about

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her new book the premonition code that's

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all right welcome back

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four shows four nights for guests this

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week tonight

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Julia Moss bridge tomorrow night Dean

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Radin is here tonight we're gonna

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discuss precognition and time travel my

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two favorite subjects well that in the

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Great Pyramid and maybe a good taco

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truck but Precog and time travel

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Julie Maas bridge PhD is a futurist

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trained in cognitive neuroscience she's

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a fellow at the Institute of noetic

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sciences and a visiting scholar at

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Northwestern University in the

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Department of Psychology dr. Maas bridge

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is the colar co-author of a transcendent

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mind one of the first academic books to

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examine paranormal experiences published

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by American Psychological Association in

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2017

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her research focus is precognition and

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the possibility of time travel

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I am excited and I would like to welcome

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for the first time to fade to black

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dr. Julia Maas bridge dr. Julia Maas

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bridge I don't know where to go can I go

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with Julia really an honor Oh No thank

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you so much but before we move forward

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you get the first-time guests

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disclaimer so let's do that now and get

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that out of the way you ready

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great okay it's just you and I sitting

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on my couch having a conversation as

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friends where the conversation starts it

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starts where it ends it ends but we're

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gonna end as friends that's it right

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sounds great I I don't know where to

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start with you because there is so much

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to cover in in in in in way too many

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directions and I can do all of that with

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you so I'm going to kind of keep it

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simple but the first thing that I've got

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to get out of the way

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in academia in professional academia you

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know when you're dealing with things

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like Precog and time travel and I know

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you get this all the time and you think

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about it probably all the time it's not

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a chosen career path for most and why

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why did you decide it's difficult I've

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got to know you know why yeah I'm sort

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of the easy answer is probably not the

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true answer but it's a good story which

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is that it's partly true I guess is that

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since I was a kid I've had experiences

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out of the order of the linear order of

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what they tell us time is supposed to be

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so we're supposed to have this order of

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past present future and we're in the

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present and we remember the past and the

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future is the thing that hasn't happened

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yet and since I was a kid I would have

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these sort of knowings about future

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events in my waking life or dreams that

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would play out in detail over the next

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you know day or so and I really got it

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at an early age that what I was being

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told about time wasn't what the truth

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was about time and so when you have

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personal experiences like that and you

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have a scientific sort of bent to the

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way you think or the way you sort of

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want to be in the world or what what

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turns you on you you know it's very

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likely that you end up studying this so

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that's sort of this story that's I guess

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partially true the other the other part

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of it is I I feel like there's almost a

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we're talking okay right John Titor sent

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you an email is what you're saying so

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and and and I think that part is great

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and and I understand it but what about

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your colleagues I mean would you divulge

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that part of it it's one thing to

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research time-travel

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you know physicists are doing it and and

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precognition and trying to figure out

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quantum theory and mechanics and

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relativity okay all right okay that that

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makes sense but would you discuss your

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reasons for doing it with your

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colleagues yeah I do it on a case by

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case basis so so it just depends on how

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open-minded the person is you know with

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whom I'm speaking and and what I noticed

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actually is that they at the higher

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higher the status the person in science

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the more likely they are to have an open

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mind because they don't have as much to

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sort of lose and so they're just like

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sure okay tell me about that well how do

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you think about this well what about

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this and we can have a conversation

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about it because there also when you get

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to the higher levels of scientists

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they've kind of gotten used to the idea

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that they don't really understand

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everything right and so they're a little

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bit more at peace with that they don't

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know the rules of the way nature works

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I'm much easier to have that

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conversation with them but I still like

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the mystical peace I only say that to a

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few people that apparently a bunch of

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people who listen to your show well you

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know that may be true but there's

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there's another thing that I'm rather

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enjoying today science went through a

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couple of really cool phases and

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probably 50 60 years ago things were

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happening at a very fast clip and those

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physicists and the the theoretical

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physicists and and the astronomers of

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the world thought that they were

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understanding it all and they had it

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figured out today they have found out

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that actually they know nothing and

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that's that's I think it's a brilliant

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place to be that they know now that

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everything that they thought that they

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understood about you know they were

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coming to terms with gravity they were

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coming to terms with time and space time

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and an atomic sand subatomic particles

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and all of these things were just

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happening and now they don't even know

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what holds a and AD

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together right it's sort of in a way

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it's like actually what has happened is

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third of the mainstream physicists and

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scientists have caught up to what the

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the Vanguard already knew long ago like

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if you'd listened to Richard Feynman's

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lectures on quantum mechanics I've been

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listening to them lately and I just came

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across this something he said the other

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day when I was listening where he said

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something like look we don't know I

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could explain you to quantum mechanics

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until you know I'm blue blue in the face

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essentially but we don't know any

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underlying principles that are causing

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we don't know why this is the

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consequence of that we could just tell

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you what happens I listen to his

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lectures every night and he that whole

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group by the way when when you start to

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get into the that part of academia and

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you're listening to them I think it's so

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fascinating where they go you know the

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the math of of string theory and quantum

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mechanics works we can't get it to mess

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up but we don't know why yeah so so I

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feel like people are starting to now

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catch people who maybe aren't at that

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level but are learning from that level

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are starting to get now wait a minute

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but there's so many open questions and I

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love this phase the phase of not knowing

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I think is the most fruitful phase in

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science yeah that's right that's right

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now okay let's let's break a couple of

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ideas down i I I try to understand every

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type of time-travel there could be or

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precognition because of the you know

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there's physical there's the mind

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there's time machines and there's all

816
00:42:01,230 --> 00:41:58,330
kinds of ideas right and relativity to

817
00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:01,240
me is is the best foundation of it all

818
00:42:07,260 --> 00:42:04,150
but with all of the tripping that I've

819
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:07,270
done on this subject over the years your

820
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:13,650
opening paragraph in your new book yes

821
00:42:18,420 --> 00:42:16,510
yes yes in the premonition code I'm not

822
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:18,430
going to read the entire paragraph I

823
00:42:25,799 --> 00:42:23,250
would love to but the way that your mind

824
00:42:28,709 --> 00:42:25,809
works for you to think

825
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:28,719
up this scene I'm talking about the car

826
00:42:39,059 --> 00:42:35,680
sales okay your mind works in a way that

827
00:42:43,019 --> 00:42:39,069
I think is very very clever because this

828
00:42:45,539 --> 00:42:43,029
is a presentation of Precog and what it

829
00:42:47,509 --> 00:42:45,549
could mean in in real life that I don't

830
00:42:51,059 --> 00:42:47,519
think anybody has really put together

831
00:42:52,859 --> 00:42:51,069
before so I'm not gonna read the

832
00:42:56,789 --> 00:42:52,869
paragraph you know what I'm talking

833
00:43:00,209 --> 00:42:56,799
about here and certainly I'll set up the

834
00:43:02,029 --> 00:43:00,219
end of it which is if the cars if you're

835
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:02,039
gonna die in the car you can't buy it

836
00:43:10,049 --> 00:43:06,880
okay now to get to that hotel tell us

837
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:10,059
about that opening paragraph what is it

838
00:43:15,329 --> 00:43:13,689
about explain it to the audience and and

839
00:43:17,569 --> 00:43:15,339
I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy myself

840
00:43:18,809 --> 00:43:17,579
because I think it's really well done

841
00:43:20,910 --> 00:43:18,819
Thanks

842
00:43:23,819 --> 00:43:20,920
well I've been thinking for much of my

843
00:43:30,959 --> 00:43:23,829
life about what if we really understood

844
00:43:33,959 --> 00:43:30,969
that precognition is not only not only a

845
00:43:36,479 --> 00:43:33,969
scientific phenomenon but it's very

846
00:43:38,759 --> 00:43:36,489
common and that it can actually be

847
00:43:39,749 --> 00:43:38,769
developed and I was like okay what would

848
00:43:41,429 --> 00:43:39,759
that be like well we would have

849
00:43:45,229 --> 00:43:41,439
something that I like to call the Precog

850
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:45,239
economy which is you've got people who

851
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:47,890
know it's their job and get paid for

852
00:43:52,589 --> 00:43:50,529
using their well-developed precognition

853
00:43:54,779 --> 00:43:52,599
for various purposes well what do we

854
00:43:57,959 --> 00:43:54,789
what can we use that for well so one

855
00:43:59,579 --> 00:43:57,969
example is a car company might want to

856
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:59,589
hire someone who literally sits with you

857
00:44:05,279 --> 00:44:01,599
when you decide you want to purchase a

858
00:44:06,809 --> 00:44:05,289
car and goes into the a special state

859
00:44:09,390 --> 00:44:06,819
where they can access information about

860
00:44:11,429 --> 00:44:09,400
probabilities of future events and they

861
00:44:12,479 --> 00:44:11,439
go okay I clear you because you know

862
00:44:15,449 --> 00:44:12,489
you're gonna have a fender bender but

863
00:44:16,469 --> 00:44:15,459
really no big deal and they let you go

864
00:44:19,439 --> 00:44:16,479
on your way and you could actually

865
00:44:21,509 --> 00:44:19,449
reduce accidents that way for the car

866
00:44:24,179 --> 00:44:21,519
company or what if or what if there was

867
00:44:26,579 --> 00:44:24,189
a person who was working at for instance

868
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:26,589
a hospital and their job was to go into

869
00:44:29,279 --> 00:44:27,729
the state where they could get

870
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:29,289
information about future events and look

871
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:31,170
at the probabilities of needing a

872
00:44:36,089 --> 00:44:33,369
certain number of doctors at certain

873
00:44:38,180 --> 00:44:36,099
times during the week in the coming week

874
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:38,190
and so their job is to plan out the

875
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:41,410
but up in the flow of the emergency room

876
00:44:47,130 --> 00:44:44,890
doctors and nurses just based on their

877
00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:47,140
precognition right I mean so you could

878
00:44:52,110 --> 00:44:49,660
go almost every human problem that we

879
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:52,120
have if you have information about the

880
00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:53,680
probabilities of future events you can

881
00:44:56,670 --> 00:44:55,390
actually address that problem so I just

882
00:45:00,300 --> 00:44:56,680
thought of something that would be fun

883
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:00,310
if you had someone who's literally

884
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:03,370
sitting in a hammock and hosta you have

885
00:45:07,290 --> 00:45:05,170
to wait until she hops out of the

886
00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:07,300
hammock and tells you you're okay to go

887
00:45:11,820 --> 00:45:10,030
ahead and buy the car before you can buy

888
00:45:13,770 --> 00:45:11,830
the car and then everyone's happy that

889
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:13,780
was just one example of sort of many

890
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:15,490
that you could imagine certainly there

891
00:45:19,590 --> 00:45:17,710
would be jobs where you would be a

892
00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:19,600
Precog trainer for children and find out

893
00:45:23,310 --> 00:45:21,430
the people who had really excellent

894
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:23,320
gifts and then help foster that and then

895
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:24,910
help them move into a career well maybe

896
00:45:28,590 --> 00:45:26,290
they're working for the UN on the

897
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:28,600
positive Precog council where they're

898
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:32,950
helping people avoid terrorist attacks

899
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:35,650
in certain countries or they're helping

900
00:45:40,850 --> 00:45:38,560
prevents something that is seen maybe 20

901
00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:40,860
or 30 years down the line in terms of

902
00:45:45,570 --> 00:45:43,960
environmental change so there's all

903
00:45:47,070 --> 00:45:45,580
sorts of ways that if you start thinking

904
00:45:48,540 --> 00:45:47,080
about that we can get probabilities of

905
00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:48,550
future events that we can actually shape

906
00:45:55,470 --> 00:45:50,860
our lives for the better and help the

907
00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:55,480
world and the the the couple is sitting

908
00:46:02,880 --> 00:45:58,690
and I just I really enjoyed the visuals

909
00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:02,890
of this looking at the the the awards

910
00:46:08,070 --> 00:46:04,870
right for the salesperson in the

911
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:08,080
background one of them while one of them

912
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,130
was air bags right and I just thought

913
00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:15,040
you know this actually makes a lot of

914
00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:18,760
sense right and so as a couple that's

915
00:46:22,890 --> 00:46:20,740
always nervous and apprehensive about

916
00:46:24,570 --> 00:46:22,900
buying a car but they picked out this

917
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:24,580
car they fell in love with it now you've

918
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:27,250
got to have a relationship with a sales

919
00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:28,570
person you've got to build up that trust

920
00:46:32,010 --> 00:46:30,760
right and so they're looking at the

921
00:46:34,140 --> 00:46:32,020
awards and they're feeling pretty good

922
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:34,150
about it well she knows she's got Precog

923
00:46:38,430 --> 00:46:36,130
abilities with airbags and she's won

924
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:38,440
awards you know this this is a good

925
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:41,290
thing but but what if she you know the

926
00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:42,850
the ultimate quite what if she comes

927
00:46:46,890 --> 00:46:44,260
back and says you're gonna die in this

928
00:46:49,110 --> 00:46:46,900
car and so I can't sell it to you

929
00:46:50,580 --> 00:46:49,120
because it reflects badly on the car

930
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:50,590
company

931
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:53,110
and so let's go pick out something else

932
00:47:00,420 --> 00:46:57,310
right and what what what a smart way to

933
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:00,430
put all of this together where Precog in

934
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:02,770
science fiction is one thing but this is

935
00:47:08,490 --> 00:47:05,110
a real-life scenario that I could see

936
00:47:09,780 --> 00:47:08,500
actually playing out right right that's

937
00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:09,790
why I stuck it at the beginning of the

938
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:11,350
book because I wanted to get people to

939
00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:12,610
see sort of the way this could be sort

940
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:16,380
of normalized it's a it's a really well

941
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:19,030
well thought out way because I just I

942
00:47:23,220 --> 00:47:20,890
got grounded with it and I couldn't wait

943
00:47:25,350 --> 00:47:23,230
to to finish the book I just thought wow

944
00:47:29,220 --> 00:47:25,360
that the picture is painted really well

945
00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:29,230
here but now what is the difference

946
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:34,420
between precognition which is a pretty

947
00:47:39,780 --> 00:47:36,850
serious thing as opposed to something

948
00:47:44,730 --> 00:47:39,790
everyday like deja vu that everybody

949
00:47:48,380 --> 00:47:44,740
tends to experience right well you know

950
00:47:53,340 --> 00:47:48,390
okay so let's talk about that so deja vu

951
00:47:55,950 --> 00:47:53,350
is traditionally thought of as being so

952
00:47:57,870 --> 00:47:55,960
it's traditionally thought of among sort

953
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:57,880
of neuroscientist I guess that you're

954
00:48:01,680 --> 00:47:59,280
receiving information through your

955
00:48:03,870 --> 00:48:01,690
sensory system and you're sort of

956
00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:03,880
labeling it like oh this is now this is

957
00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:06,670
now this is now and you're also labeling

958
00:48:10,620 --> 00:48:08,590
it with oh this is familiar this is

959
00:48:12,330 --> 00:48:10,630
familiar this is familiar as soon as

960
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:12,340
you've experienced something right oh

961
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:13,930
that thing that was something I

962
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:15,370
experienced a minute ago that's familiar

963
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:17,610
so that's a label so it has a label of

964
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:20,530
now and and when you've experienced it

965
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:23,050
it has the label of familiar and so the

966
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,450
idea that sort of thought in

967
00:48:30,570 --> 00:48:27,040
neuro-scientific circles of what happens

968
00:48:33,390 --> 00:48:30,580
in deja vu is you're experiencing

969
00:48:36,420 --> 00:48:33,400
something now that also has the familiar

970
00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:36,430
label and that's a little bit of a

971
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:38,230
paradox because it's usually either now

972
00:48:44,580 --> 00:48:42,010
or familiar but not both mm-hmm right so

973
00:48:46,290 --> 00:48:44,590
so then the idea is that either your

974
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:46,300
brain has slipped up and has labeled

975
00:48:49,590 --> 00:48:47,710
something now that is actually something

976
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:49,600
you experienced in the past and it's

977
00:48:53,370 --> 00:48:51,040
just representing it's like showing you

978
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:53,380
a movie clip that you just saw by

979
00:48:59,940 --> 00:48:57,040
mistake or it's labeling something as

980
00:49:02,130 --> 00:48:59,950
familiar that's not familiar that is

981
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:02,140
actually happening now but a third

982
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:04,089
option could be that it's in

983
00:49:10,109 --> 00:49:08,079
precognition right so so most of the

984
00:49:11,249 --> 00:49:10,119
neuroscientific community doesn't go for

985
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:11,259
that third option and there's good

986
00:49:14,939 --> 00:49:12,640
reason for that because you can

987
00:49:16,650 --> 00:49:14,949
stimulate someone's brain and make them

988
00:49:18,569 --> 00:49:16,660
have a deja vu experience and we know

989
00:49:20,249 --> 00:49:18,579
that that's not precognition so that's

990
00:49:21,479 --> 00:49:20,259
definitely the case that there are deja

991
00:49:24,529 --> 00:49:21,489
boo' experiences that are not

992
00:49:26,459 --> 00:49:24,539
precognition but the other reason why

993
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:26,469
neuroscientists and not to think about

994
00:49:30,689 --> 00:49:28,209
it is most of them don't understand that

995
00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:30,699
there's evidence actually actual

996
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:32,229
rigorous scientific evidence supporting

997
00:49:38,609 --> 00:49:36,729
that precognition is a thing right so

998
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:38,619
most of them don't know that and said

999
00:49:45,029 --> 00:49:40,089
they wouldn't wouldn't consider it yeah

1000
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:45,039
and to not consider it being Precog or

1001
00:49:51,689 --> 00:49:48,910
something fantastical right yeah yeah is

1002
00:49:53,759 --> 00:49:51,699
is an excuse and an easy way out

1003
00:49:56,969 --> 00:49:53,769
probably because they don't want to be

1004
00:49:59,249 --> 00:49:56,979
challenged and they want to just make it

1005
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:59,259
easy and move off of the subject because

1006
00:50:04,349 --> 00:50:00,640
they're not comfortable with it that's

1007
00:50:07,469 --> 00:50:04,359
probably it but it's also cheapening

1008
00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:07,479
what the experience actually is because

1009
00:50:12,509 --> 00:50:09,910
I think that you know when I have a deja

1010
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:12,519
vu most people have a real deja vu when

1011
00:50:17,819 --> 00:50:15,130
it's going down you know it's it's

1012
00:50:22,289 --> 00:50:17,829
something that's extraordinary you know

1013
00:50:24,959 --> 00:50:22,299
and you know it is you're one step ahead

1014
00:50:26,969 --> 00:50:24,969
of the future and you're watching it

1015
00:50:29,009 --> 00:50:26,979
play out in front of you and you know

1016
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:29,019
that that's what the experience actually

1017
00:50:35,009 --> 00:50:32,049
is and you step back going how can this

1018
00:50:38,269 --> 00:50:35,019
happen the future isn't supposed to be

1019
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:38,279
known but I know what's about to happen

1020
00:50:46,739 --> 00:50:42,160
you know and it could be also Julia a

1021
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:46,749
great length of time it could be seconds

1022
00:50:52,140 --> 00:50:49,209
five seconds ten seconds ahead you know

1023
00:50:54,989 --> 00:50:52,150
ginormous amounts of time that you are

1024
00:50:56,759 --> 00:50:54,999
ahead of what's going on and you're

1025
00:51:00,719 --> 00:50:56,769
watching it play out and you know that

1026
00:51:04,489 --> 00:51:00,729
that isn't some familiar connection

1027
00:51:06,809 --> 00:51:04,499
happening with past memories or whatever

1028
00:51:09,479 --> 00:51:06,819
neuroscientists can give you the excuse

1029
00:51:10,949 --> 00:51:09,489
for well I mean I mean I could say for

1030
00:51:12,569 --> 00:51:10,959
sure that you have the experience that

1031
00:51:13,919 --> 00:51:12,579
everyone who has deja vu has this

1032
00:51:16,979 --> 00:51:13,929
experience that something strange is

1033
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:16,989
going on but it but it is you know sort

1034
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:17,890
of provably

1035
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:20,530
case that in some cases that really is

1036
00:51:23,820 --> 00:51:21,970
your brain playing a trick and the

1037
00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:23,830
reason that that's provably the case is

1038
00:51:27,150 --> 00:51:25,600
because you could literally stimulate

1039
00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:27,160
the brain and cause people to have that

1040
00:51:32,490 --> 00:51:30,190
experience so you can cause the brain to

1041
00:51:34,050 --> 00:51:32,500
play that trick but that but the problem

1042
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:34,060
is that a lot of people make the leap

1043
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:37,210
from that experiment to saying that in

1044
00:51:41,340 --> 00:51:39,010
every case it's your brain playing a

1045
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:41,350
trick on you and that's what that's what

1046
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:42,880
I think we have to be careful about is

1047
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:45,520
say no just what you were saying in some

1048
00:51:49,580 --> 00:51:47,890
cases this is this is a this is a real

1049
00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:49,590
prediction but if it is a real

1050
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:52,030
precognition then you should be able to

1051
00:51:59,130 --> 00:51:56,110
do an experiment where you are able to

1052
00:52:02,010 --> 00:51:59,140
predict the future event at a rate

1053
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:02,020
greater you know then chance Hey and how

1054
00:52:07,650 --> 00:52:04,980
do you do this yes so that's the kind of

1055
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:07,660
experimenting that we do in the lab we

1056
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:10,410
don't use deja vu because we don't

1057
00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:12,850
because it's so spontaneous it's hard to

1058
00:52:17,490 --> 00:52:14,980
capture in the lab but we can do these

1059
00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:17,500
experiments there's kind of two kinds

1060
00:52:23,220 --> 00:52:20,680
there's one that's called an explicit or

1061
00:52:24,570 --> 00:52:23,230
conscious precognition experiment where

1062
00:52:26,070 --> 00:52:24,580
we consciously are asking you to

1063
00:52:27,540 --> 00:52:26,080
consciously sit around in that and

1064
00:52:29,970 --> 00:52:27,550
answer the question what do you think is

1065
00:52:31,260 --> 00:52:29,980
gonna happen next right gradually right

1066
00:52:34,530 --> 00:52:31,270
so that's a conscious precognition

1067
00:52:37,260 --> 00:52:34,540
experiment then there's the unconscious

1068
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:37,270
or implicit pre cognizant precognition

1069
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:39,370
experiments which are about oh we're

1070
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,480
gonna have you look at some things on a

1071
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:42,640
screen and press some buttons and you

1072
00:52:46,590 --> 00:52:44,770
know it's all just a cognitive task and

1073
00:52:49,380 --> 00:52:46,600
we're not telling you or maybe we're

1074
00:52:50,970 --> 00:52:49,390
only telling you afterwards that it

1075
00:52:52,350 --> 00:52:50,980
turns out what we were testing was

1076
00:52:55,110 --> 00:52:52,360
precognition but there's no way you

1077
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:55,120
could have known that consciously so

1078
00:52:59,220 --> 00:52:57,760
those are the two different kinds and it

1079
00:53:00,930 --> 00:52:59,230
turns out they have very different

1080
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:00,940
properties so in terms of fast

1081
00:53:07,290 --> 00:53:04,930
precognition like you know the timeframe

1082
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of like milliseconds to seconds right

1083
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:11,740
the unconscious precognition seems to

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00:53:16,140 --> 00:53:14,530
dominate on average among people you

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00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:16,150
know if you don't select for people who

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are really good right right right

1087
00:53:26,310 --> 00:53:22,150
and then for longer time frames like an

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00:53:28,620 --> 00:53:26,320
hour days weeks conscious precognition

1089
00:53:30,090 --> 00:53:28,630
seems to dominate so if I want to know

1090
00:53:33,150 --> 00:53:30,100
what's going on a week from now I better

1091
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:33,160
have some kind of skill

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00:53:37,170 --> 00:53:35,650
going into the state where I can get

1093
00:53:39,150 --> 00:53:37,180
that information and then sketching it

1094
00:53:40,830 --> 00:53:39,160
out or whatever I do you know to record

1095
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:40,840
it that's a really conscious

1096
00:53:44,130 --> 00:53:42,010
precognition but you could do those

1097
00:53:46,620 --> 00:53:44,140
experiments in the lab too by literally

1098
00:53:48,450 --> 00:53:46,630
asking someone to do that and then not

1099
00:53:52,350 --> 00:53:48,460
deciding until after they've turned in

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00:53:55,110 --> 00:53:52,360
their work what the actual target is so

1101
00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:55,120
no one on the planet would know what the

1102
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:56,710
target is so that it's not like they

1103
00:54:00,420 --> 00:53:58,090
could get the information from someone

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00:54:02,580 --> 00:54:00,430
else so they do their work and then you

1105
00:54:04,530 --> 00:54:02,590
use a random number generator to predict

1106
00:54:06,270 --> 00:54:04,540
what the target is going to be but you

1107
00:54:08,610 --> 00:54:06,280
only do that after they've turned in

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00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:08,620
their work so there's no cheating and

1109
00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:10,900
even you as the experimenter can't give

1110
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:13,150
them some kind of clues because you

1111
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:17,460
don't know either I know that there are

1112
00:54:23,340 --> 00:54:20,170
precogs walking this planet right now

1113
00:54:28,170 --> 00:54:23,350
with extreme talent and gifts for sure

1114
00:54:29,070 --> 00:54:28,180
have you met one and hold on-hold where

1115
00:54:37,110 --> 00:54:29,080
you haven't heard the rest of the

1116
00:54:42,420 --> 00:54:37,120
questions and how valuable would that

1117
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,430
talent be right well I can tell you

1118
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:44,400
almost literally how valuable it is

1119
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:48,880
people are using Precog abilities right

1120
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,130
now to predict stock market changes with

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00:54:57,240 --> 00:54:53,920
great effect and there's a group that is

1122
00:54:59,070 --> 00:54:57,250
paying people to do that and they make

1123
00:55:03,180 --> 00:54:59,080
money according to how well they perform

1124
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:03,190
so you know if you're at 60% correct

1125
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:04,330
you're making a certain amount of money

1126
00:55:09,570 --> 00:55:06,130
if you're at 70 you're making more 80

1127
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:09,580
more 90 more etc and you can find out

1128
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:11,110
about this if anyone's interested check

1129
00:55:15,780 --> 00:55:13,570
out the applied precognition project

1130
00:55:20,730 --> 00:55:15,790
which is a project of Marty Rosenblatt a

1131
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:20,740
great guy who is pulling together a

1132
00:55:24,570 --> 00:55:21,970
bunch of different people teaching them

1133
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:24,580
how to do what he calls associated

1134
00:55:28,110 --> 00:55:26,410
remote viewing but I call it a

1135
00:55:30,990 --> 00:55:28,120
controlled precognition because that's

1136
00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:31,000
really what it is where you sit down and

1137
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:32,260
you're actually sketching out an image

1138
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:33,730
that you're going to see but the image

1139
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:35,530
is associated with stock market changes

1140
00:55:39,810 --> 00:55:37,930
so we can get enough people looking at a

1141
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:39,820
future image and it and if enough people

1142
00:55:43,980 --> 00:55:42,490
are sketching a tree for instance and he

1143
00:55:45,420 --> 00:55:43,990
knows that a tree is associated with an

1144
00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:45,430
upward movement movement at the stock

1145
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,200
market

1146
00:55:52,790 --> 00:55:48,480
and bet on that and he's done very well

1147
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,800
and created returns for himself and

1148
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:54,480
others he shares all the information

1149
00:55:59,240 --> 00:55:56,760
with other people at rates far above

1150
00:56:01,310 --> 00:55:59,250
what you would expect just on the market

1151
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:01,320
so it's pretty impressive yeah and then

1152
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:04,380
you know we all go naturally it's the

1153
00:56:12,050 --> 00:56:07,290
modern society that we have today -

1154
00:56:15,620 --> 00:56:12,060
Minority Report yeah okay and there's

1155
00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:15,630
there's an example of you better not be

1156
00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:20,520
wrong in your Precog right so pre-crime

1157
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:22,800
division so in that movie you know good

1158
00:56:27,020 --> 00:56:24,450
old Tom Cruise

1159
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:27,030
you know he's leading the pre-crime

1160
00:56:32,089 --> 00:56:29,609
division and there's this great scene

1161
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:32,099
where philosophical moment where this

1162
00:56:37,310 --> 00:56:35,520
ball comes down the chute and it tells

1163
00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:37,320
them okay this is the Minority Report

1164
00:56:41,930 --> 00:56:40,020
this this shows us who is in

1165
00:56:43,609 --> 00:56:41,940
disagreement about which of the precogs

1166
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:43,619
is in disagreement about something and

1167
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,420
that indicates where there's some kind

1168
00:56:48,109 --> 00:56:47,280
of problem about a future event if I

1169
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,119
remember that correctly

1170
00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:50,400
that's right yeah okay and in that

1171
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:52,859
moment he says look the future is going

1172
00:56:57,620 --> 00:56:56,010
to happen and all we are here to do is

1173
00:56:59,180 --> 00:56:57,630
to prevent it which is of course

1174
00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:59,190
paradoxical right if it features going

1175
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,900
to happen what do you mean you're there

1176
00:57:05,809 --> 00:57:02,640
to prevent it how does that work but in

1177
00:57:09,050 --> 00:57:05,819
any case what they end up showing in the

1178
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,060
movie is that the future is not written

1179
00:57:12,829 --> 00:57:11,280
in stone you can't go arrest someone

1180
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,839
before they commit a crime and make the

1181
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:14,400
assumption that they're going to commit

1182
00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:15,599
the crime it with a hundred percent

1183
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,880
probability and I think that's a pretty

1184
00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:19,920
responsible thing for them to have done

1185
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,990
with that movie because regardless of

1186
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:27,359
whatever the physics end up turning out

1187
00:57:30,620 --> 00:57:29,130
to be and of course there's the

1188
00:57:31,819 --> 00:57:30,630
perpetual argument about whether there's

1189
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:31,829
some kind of block universe where

1190
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:33,660
everything's set in stone or whether

1191
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:35,849
things are more probabilistic but

1192
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:37,920
whatever the physics end up being we

1193
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:40,319
know that psychologically it does not

1194
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:42,240
work for people to think that the future

1195
00:57:48,050 --> 00:57:44,310
is set in stone it does not help people

1196
00:57:49,790 --> 00:57:48,060
and when the more you polish your pre

1197
00:57:52,819 --> 00:57:49,800
cognitive skills and I've been working

1198
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:52,829
on this as a habit and and sort of as a

1199
00:57:59,599 --> 00:57:57,089
practice know every day and I've gotten

1200
00:58:00,280 --> 00:57:59,609
better and better which is nice but in

1201
00:58:02,290 --> 00:58:00,290
any case

1202
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:02,300
the more you practice your precognitive

1203
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:04,610
skills the more you recognize that you

1204
00:58:10,270 --> 00:58:08,090
better have what I call a time worldview

1205
00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:10,280
so I've created something called the

1206
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:13,310
positive Precog time worldview so in the

1207
00:58:15,820 --> 00:58:13,760
book

1208
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:15,830
premonition code we call prompt positive

1209
00:58:21,010 --> 00:58:19,520
precogs people who are using their

1210
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:21,020
precognition to help the world are

1211
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:24,050
trying to do that and a time worldview

1212
00:58:29,620 --> 00:58:26,890
is how you view time and it really

1213
00:58:31,570 --> 00:58:29,630
impacts your psychological health how

1214
00:58:33,340 --> 00:58:31,580
you view time and so some of the

1215
00:58:35,950 --> 00:58:33,350
components of the positive Precog time

1216
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:35,960
worldview are not believing that the

1217
00:58:39,370 --> 00:58:38,210
future is set in stone and not believing

1218
00:58:42,330 --> 00:58:39,380
that you're always a hundred percent

1219
00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:42,340
correct about whatever you perceive

1220
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:44,710
those two things are really important

1221
00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:47,930
psychologically how easy is it for you

1222
00:58:53,530 --> 00:58:50,750
I've got 15 seconds to answer it ask

1223
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:53,540
this question how easy is it for you to

1224
00:58:59,050 --> 00:58:55,930
go into the precogs state

1225
00:59:00,670 --> 00:58:59,060
well it's getting easier and easier just

1226
00:59:02,380 --> 00:59:00,680
with practice and I think that's true

1227
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:02,390
for anyone and and we built out our

1228
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:03,920
website to help support people in that

1229
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:05,930
practice and I can talk with you about

1230
00:59:08,830 --> 00:59:07,250
that a little more at length if you'd

1231
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:08,840
like yeah we'll do that when we come

1232
00:59:17,770 --> 00:59:12,770
back but I'm setting you up okay so you

1233
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:17,780
should have known that okay we're gonna

1234
00:59:20,890 --> 00:59:19,370
we're gonna take we're gonna take a

1235
00:59:23,650 --> 00:59:20,900
break here for about three and a half

1236
00:59:26,350 --> 00:59:23,660
minutes for commercial I want you to

1237
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:26,360
think about the question that I am going

1238
00:59:31,870 --> 00:59:30,050
to ask you when we come back and that

1239
00:59:36,910 --> 00:59:31,880
question I'm just gonna throw a bone

1240
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:36,920
that question is going to be about me so

1241
00:59:44,980 --> 00:59:39,290
you think about that Julia this is fade

1242
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:44,990
to black you need to think about the

1243
00:59:49,540 --> 00:59:47,210
question that I am going to ask that's

1244
00:59:51,010 --> 00:59:49,550
all it's very simple I'm gonna have fun

1245
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:51,020
with this it's gonna be really good and

1246
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:53,930
the answer is gonna freak you out so

1247
00:59:58,600 --> 00:59:56,930
think about that yeah where am I going

1248
01:00:01,180 --> 00:59:58,610
this is fade to black I'm your host

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Jimmy Church our guest tonight dr. Julia

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ma spirts we're talking about her new

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the camera I'll do it again right now

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01:04:49,849 --> 01:04:48,119
join in on the conversation right over

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there few thousand tweets will happen

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tonight

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01:04:56,569 --> 01:04:54,059
hashtag F to B is the sandbox our guest

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01:04:59,209 --> 01:04:56,579
tonight Julia Moss bridge PhD we're

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01:05:03,130 --> 01:04:59,219
talking about her new book the

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01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:03,140
premonition code and now the Precog

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01:05:09,380 --> 01:05:06,329
julia was not leaked with me talking to

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01:05:13,370 --> 01:05:09,390
you during the break but I did slip I

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01:05:19,219 --> 01:05:13,380
wanted to bring up your co-author is a

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01:05:23,209 --> 01:05:19,229
Teresa Chung tell us about Teresa yeah a

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01:05:26,620 --> 01:05:23,219
little bit yes

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01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:26,630
Teresa is this pretty amazing woman who

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01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:29,849
mostly has has spent decades gathering

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01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:32,880
anecdotal reports of precognition life

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01:05:40,009 --> 01:05:36,890
after death contact with people who are

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01:05:41,499 --> 01:05:40,019
in other locations so telepathic stories

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01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:41,509
things like this anything that's unusual

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01:05:47,149 --> 01:05:43,890
she records the stories and she writes

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01:05:48,769 --> 01:05:47,159
books about it but she got we got

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01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:48,779
together on a project a couple years ago

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01:05:54,289 --> 01:05:52,169
and she's heard about my work at the

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01:05:55,699 --> 01:05:54,299
Institute of noetic Sciences and just

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01:05:58,759 --> 01:05:55,709
the work at the Institute of noetic

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01:06:00,709 --> 01:05:58,769
Sciences in general and she was wanting

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01:06:02,839 --> 01:06:00,719
the folks in the UK to hear about that

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01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:02,849
work because most of the belief in the

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01:06:09,049 --> 01:06:06,569
UK has been similar to the US where it's

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01:06:10,729 --> 01:06:09,059
the opinion is this is just anecdotal

1375
01:06:12,979 --> 01:06:10,739
stuff that happens to people and there's

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01:06:14,689 --> 01:06:12,989
no science behind it and that's part of

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01:06:16,609 --> 01:06:14,699
why she approached me to do this book -

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01:06:18,199 --> 01:06:16,619
she just wants the world to know not

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01:06:20,179 --> 01:06:18,209
only there's science there's practice

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01:06:24,109 --> 01:06:20,189
there's you know there's online

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01:06:26,059 --> 01:06:24,119
resources to help you and this is a this

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01:06:29,269 --> 01:06:26,069
is a way of life and actually a pretty

1383
01:06:34,399 --> 01:06:29,279
cool community of people now okay now

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01:06:36,349 --> 01:06:34,409
back to the Precog yeah okay nothing

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01:06:39,259 --> 01:06:36,359
came to you nothing nothing popped in

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01:06:43,159 --> 01:06:39,269
right yeah you know just so you know

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01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:43,169
this is I mean most of my skill is as a

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01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:45,569
scientist and I'm developing my skill as

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01:06:50,049 --> 01:06:47,729
a Precog so I would not call myself the

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01:06:52,339 --> 01:06:50,059
most advanced Precog you'll ever meet

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01:06:52,590 --> 01:06:52,349
having said that what popped into my

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01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:52,600
head

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01:06:57,780 --> 01:06:55,690
was a bear really okay

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01:07:01,950 --> 01:06:57,790
now I'm on during if there's a

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01:07:03,810 --> 01:07:01,960
connection because this is I'm gonna

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01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:03,820
hold this up to the camera that is the

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01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:09,330
answer the answer is Great Lakes now

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01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:10,570
okay

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01:07:17,460 --> 01:07:12,850
I was born at Great Lakes Naval Station

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in Waukegan no kidding yeah yeah yeah

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01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:20,260
okay so that so I would say so there's

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01:07:23,700 --> 01:07:21,910
I'm not gonna tell the audience what the

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01:07:25,980 --> 01:07:23,710
connection is but I was just wondering

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01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:25,990
if you know the vibe of the universe

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01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:29,110
would somehow connect that for you and

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01:07:33,210 --> 01:07:31,210
how great it would have been so that you

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01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:33,220
know it would have been well the only

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01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:35,170
associ so if we want to stretch this I

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01:07:38,300 --> 01:07:36,850
mean so if I were scoring this as an

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01:07:41,940 --> 01:07:38,310
independent judge I might say this is

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01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:41,950
basically bogus but nonetheless what

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01:07:46,620 --> 01:07:43,930
what I'll just tell you is that I grew

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01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:46,630
up in Libertyville Illinois very close

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01:07:51,540 --> 01:07:48,930
to the Great Lakes Naval Station and

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01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:51,550
when my parents would sometimes go

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01:07:57,420 --> 01:07:53,710
camping we would go up around there and

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01:07:59,070 --> 01:07:57,430
I was always scared of bears there's no

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01:08:00,900 --> 01:07:59,080
bears around there you know what's so

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01:08:03,290 --> 01:08:00,910
funny you know because that's my

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01:08:07,650 --> 01:08:03,300
neighborhood right Libertyville

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01:08:09,810 --> 01:08:07,660
Mundelein yeah you know of course

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01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:09,820
Waukegan Great Lakes Naval Station that

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01:08:16,770 --> 01:08:11,650
whole part of and for you to say

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01:08:19,410 --> 01:08:16,780
Libertyville you know look just that's

1425
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:19,420
that's really trippy look for the

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01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:21,970
audience they don't get it but when you

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01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:23,710
bring up these Lindy we're talking about

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01:08:32,130 --> 01:08:27,690
little tiny towns here right

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01:08:36,030 --> 01:08:32,140
Libertyville Mundelein okay now but

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01:08:38,190 --> 01:08:36,040
let's talk about you know so Theresa and

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01:08:41,849 --> 01:08:38,200
you when we're dealing with a

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01:08:43,770 --> 01:08:41,859
premonition and the future then and

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01:08:47,310 --> 01:08:43,780
you've said paradox now three or four

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01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:47,320
times and if if all of that and I

1435
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:51,130
believe it to be reality but then free

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01:08:58,170 --> 01:08:55,930
will is taken out right it's like taken

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01:09:01,260 --> 01:08:58,180
right off of the the table at that point

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01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:01,270
and now we've got this conundrum in the

1439
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:03,250
community wait a minute free will is you

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01:09:08,089 --> 01:09:05,489
know well but if

1441
01:09:13,220 --> 01:09:08,099
the future is real and premonition and

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01:09:17,239 --> 01:09:13,230
precognition is a reality then free will

1443
01:09:19,579 --> 01:09:17,249
is just an illusion you're it's going to

1444
01:09:21,979 --> 01:09:19,589
just take you to where you were going to

1445
01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:21,989
be anyway you think you are making

1446
01:09:26,809 --> 01:09:25,049
decisions but precognition and

1447
01:09:29,779 --> 01:09:26,819
premonitions if you have a premonition

1448
01:09:32,180 --> 01:09:29,789
about your own future in a dream right

1449
01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:32,190
and you alter your life whether there's

1450
01:09:38,269 --> 01:09:35,249
no free will coming into play here right

1451
01:09:40,669 --> 01:09:38,279
am I am I correct I mean so yeah I mean

1452
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:40,679
so there's two kind of again there's

1453
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:42,690
kind of two answers there's sort of the

1454
01:09:48,049 --> 01:09:44,730
mainstream answer and then there's the

1455
01:09:50,809 --> 01:09:48,059
trippy answer so the mainstream answer

1456
01:09:53,509 --> 01:09:50,819
is look what if what if precognition is

1457
01:09:56,810 --> 01:09:53,519
about looking at probabilities so you

1458
01:09:59,959 --> 01:09:56,820
have a dream about a car accidents and

1459
01:10:03,229 --> 01:09:59,969
that's a yellow car and you're on the

1460
01:10:04,759 --> 01:10:03,239
highway and you it's a horrible accident

1461
01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:04,769
and you wake up and you're in a cold

1462
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:06,510
sweat and you're scared and then the

1463
01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:07,860
next day you're on the highway you see a

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01:10:13,459 --> 01:10:10,289
yellow car and you avoid it and it hits

1465
01:10:16,220 --> 01:10:13,469
someone else and so you go wow you know

1466
01:10:19,790 --> 01:10:16,230
I actually changed what was going to

1467
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:19,800
happen so it's possible the dream was

1468
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:24,239
literally like a warning tapping into a

1469
01:10:27,229 --> 01:10:25,980
future event that actually wasn't going

1470
01:10:30,049 --> 01:10:27,239
to happen and the probability was that

1471
01:10:32,750 --> 01:10:30,059
someone was gonna bump into this car and

1472
01:10:34,430 --> 01:10:32,760
your mind turned it into you to help you

1473
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:34,440
get into a place where it wasn't you

1474
01:10:40,580 --> 01:10:38,400
right right and so if you think of the

1475
01:10:43,009 --> 01:10:40,590
world as probabilities you're actually

1476
01:10:45,379 --> 01:10:43,019
making a choice and you can have this

1477
01:10:47,180 --> 01:10:45,389
freewill experience of I made this

1478
01:10:48,799 --> 01:10:47,190
choice to do this because I shift I

1479
01:10:51,379 --> 01:10:48,809
based on the probabilities I shifted

1480
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:51,389
where I was relative to the event right

1481
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,730
so the event happened so that was

1482
01:10:58,069 --> 01:10:55,440
destined or whatever people want to call

1483
01:10:59,569 --> 01:10:58,079
it but my position relative to the event

1484
01:11:01,700 --> 01:10:59,579
was different so that's one way to think

1485
01:11:03,859 --> 01:11:01,710
about it that's kind of a standard way

1486
01:11:06,020 --> 01:11:03,869
to sort of keep freewill in the

1487
01:11:07,489 --> 01:11:06,030
conversation so another way to think

1488
01:11:10,879 --> 01:11:07,499
about it is if you don't think about

1489
01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:10,889
time is necessarily linear freewill

1490
01:11:16,370 --> 01:11:13,320
doesn't have to be linear either and so

1491
01:11:18,049 --> 01:11:16,380
you could say I have I have freewill

1492
01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:18,059
over the like if you look at the course

1493
01:11:23,660 --> 01:11:19,260
of your life as a blob

1494
01:11:26,330 --> 01:11:23,670
in time I have freewill over the whole

1495
01:11:28,850 --> 01:11:26,340
course of my life at some point I

1496
01:11:29,930 --> 01:11:28,860
decided this is how it's going to go

1497
01:11:33,529 --> 01:11:29,940
that doesn't mean in this particular

1498
01:11:35,930 --> 01:11:33,539
moment I can change anything but the

1499
01:11:38,810 --> 01:11:35,940
entire decision of how each event will

1500
01:11:42,589 --> 01:11:38,820
go is at some point maybe in the past

1501
01:11:44,899 --> 01:11:42,599
maybe in the future decided by me or at

1502
01:11:47,359 --> 01:11:44,909
least I have some influence on it and so

1503
01:11:49,549 --> 01:11:47,369
that's a more trippy way of thinking

1504
01:11:55,879 --> 01:11:49,559
about this and I don't know what's true

1505
01:12:01,759 --> 01:11:55,889
well if if you have some precognition or

1506
01:12:04,459 --> 01:12:01,769
premonition and that is you are going to

1507
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:04,469
be a doctor you see yourself as being a

1508
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:10,050
doctor but today you are a bacchanal

1509
01:12:15,890 --> 01:12:13,679
artist the opposite

1510
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:15,900
you are not college bound and you're not

1511
01:12:23,089 --> 01:12:21,360
looking at college right but you know 30

1512
01:12:28,089 --> 01:12:23,099
years from now for some reason whatever

1513
01:12:30,109 --> 01:12:28,099
it is you know now you're a doctor that

1514
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:30,119
you you know what I mean where's

1515
01:12:39,140 --> 01:12:34,650
freewill in that in in you you see the

1516
01:12:41,180 --> 01:12:39,150
vision of and you can't change it right

1517
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:41,190
you can't no matter what you want to do

1518
01:12:45,379 --> 01:12:42,900
to change it

1519
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:45,389
ultimately you are going to be a doctor

1520
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:48,449
and any decision that you make isn't

1521
01:12:52,220 --> 01:12:50,880
going to alter that path right I guess

1522
01:12:55,009 --> 01:12:52,230
what I'm saying for so first of all a

1523
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:55,019
bacchanal artist is a really cool career

1524
01:13:04,819 --> 01:13:00,000
option I just want second I'm jealous of

1525
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:04,829
that career option second yes you may

1526
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:06,510
not have free so if you think of a time

1527
01:13:11,330 --> 01:13:09,449
line and this is time zero is this

1528
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,340
current moment let's say at time zero

1529
01:13:16,189 --> 01:13:13,920
you may not have any free will about

1530
01:13:18,859 --> 01:13:16,199
that future doctor job that you'll have

1531
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:18,869
but it's possible that at time you know

1532
01:13:24,859 --> 01:13:22,710
minus ten or at time plus two thousand

1533
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:24,869
you have free will about it in other

1534
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:28,170
words if you keep thinking about time is

1535
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:30,449
linear and it marches forward and only

1536
01:13:33,589 --> 01:13:32,159
one thing that I decide now can

1537
01:13:35,870 --> 01:13:33,599
influence the thing in the future

1538
01:13:38,510 --> 01:13:35,880
then that impacts how you feel about

1539
01:13:41,330 --> 01:13:38,520
free will and when free will has to

1540
01:13:43,010 --> 01:13:41,340
happen for it to be free will but if you

1541
01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:43,020
think about time is nonlinear you kind

1542
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:44,940
of look up and you're like if you float

1543
01:13:50,169 --> 01:13:46,650
up in the sky and you look down on time

1544
01:13:52,339 --> 01:13:50,179
like a map or something that's spacial

1545
01:13:54,260 --> 01:13:52,349
imagine having free will from the

1546
01:13:57,140 --> 01:13:54,270
position of a bird looking down at a map

1547
01:13:59,899 --> 01:13:57,150
and saying where am I going to land next

1548
01:14:02,209 --> 01:13:59,909
where am I gonna let next and not having

1549
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:02,219
to be linear that's a different kind of

1550
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:04,050
freewill but it's still free will it's

1551
01:14:07,399 --> 01:14:05,610
just not operating in linear time and

1552
01:14:09,709 --> 01:14:07,409
that's what I'm trying to say and what's

1553
01:14:14,209 --> 01:14:09,719
the difference between a premonition and

1554
01:14:16,939 --> 01:14:14,219
just a cool dream yeah yeah

1555
01:14:19,700 --> 01:14:16,949
so not all premonitions or precognition

1556
01:14:21,649 --> 01:14:19,710
czar in dreams so there's a couple types

1557
01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:21,659
right so most of them are when people

1558
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:22,860
when you start talking about the stuff

1559
01:14:25,310 --> 01:14:24,090
they say oh I had this dream that my

1560
01:14:26,660 --> 01:14:25,320
grandmother died and that she died the

1561
01:14:28,580 --> 01:14:26,670
next day and she wasn't even sick and it

1562
01:14:30,319 --> 01:14:28,590
was really freaky and that's the most

1563
01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:30,329
one of the most common experiences of

1564
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:35,329
precognition but it has to be a

1565
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:37,530
precognition to be considered a genuine

1566
01:14:41,810 --> 01:14:39,360
precognition if it's spontaneous in your

1567
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:41,820
life and not in the lab you have to have

1568
01:14:45,890 --> 01:14:44,159
a couple characteristics and even then

1569
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:45,900
you're not 100% sure really until you're

1570
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,610
in the lab right but you have to have a

1571
01:14:51,649 --> 01:14:49,440
couple of characteristics and to at

1572
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:51,659
least be considered a genuine

1573
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:53,489
precognition and one is you have to have

1574
01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:56,250
enough details that match between your

1575
01:15:01,520 --> 01:14:58,110
experience whether it's a dream or a

1576
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:01,530
waking vision or intuition your

1577
01:15:05,959 --> 01:15:04,170
experience and the event so if you just

1578
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:05,969
dream that someone comes and knocks on

1579
01:15:09,950 --> 01:15:08,130
your door and the next day comes and

1580
01:15:11,689 --> 01:15:09,960
knocks on your door that's just not

1581
01:15:13,399 --> 01:15:11,699
enough correspondences to say that was

1582
01:15:16,879 --> 01:15:13,409
precognitive people come and knock on

1583
01:15:19,490 --> 01:15:16,889
your door perhaps every day not a big

1584
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:19,500
deal so okay let's say there's two some

1585
01:15:21,740 --> 01:15:20,610
of you dream that someone comes and

1586
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:21,750
knocks on your door and they ask you if

1587
01:15:24,919 --> 01:15:23,520
to borrow some cheese and then if the

1588
01:15:27,919 --> 01:15:24,929
next day that happens that's more

1589
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:27,929
convincing especially if it's not like

1590
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:29,730
every Thursday your neighbor comes and

1591
01:15:32,959 --> 01:15:31,650
asks to borrow some cheese right so it

1592
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:32,969
also has to be something that you can't

1593
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:36,690
predict based on past history so you

1594
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:40,500
start to build up sort of like a series

1595
01:15:45,020 --> 01:15:43,170
of rules by which you have to judge the

1596
01:15:46,339 --> 01:15:45,030
precognitive experience to see was it

1597
01:15:47,540 --> 01:15:46,349
really precognitive or is this my

1598
01:15:49,130 --> 01:15:47,550
subconscious just using

1599
01:15:52,820 --> 01:15:49,140
the information that I normally have in

1600
01:15:55,310 --> 01:15:52,830
my memory and assembling something and

1601
01:15:57,230 --> 01:15:55,320
and once you start to get a hang of that

1602
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:57,240
you start to actually start to look at

1603
01:16:00,560 --> 01:15:59,040
the precognitive experiences differently

1604
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:00,570
and recognize that they have a different

1605
01:16:05,690 --> 01:16:02,930
quality to them they tend to be very

1606
01:16:07,130 --> 01:16:05,700
very vivid very realistic for

1607
01:16:08,900 --> 01:16:07,140
precognitive dreams or sometimes

1608
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:08,910
precognitive compulsions where you feel

1609
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:11,090
like you have to take a certain action

1610
01:16:14,900 --> 01:16:13,530
and you feel like you better do it and

1611
01:16:16,370 --> 01:16:14,910
you don't really know why and as sort of

1612
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:16,380
your intuition is just yelling at you to

1613
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:17,730
do something and then you do it then you

1614
01:16:22,850 --> 01:16:19,890
find out whoa I either did something

1615
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,860
really positive or I you know avoided a

1616
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:24,480
really bad situation this happens a lot

1617
01:16:31,490 --> 01:16:25,770
to people in the military who have

1618
01:16:33,470 --> 01:16:31,500
survived so once you have that

1619
01:16:35,540 --> 01:16:33,480
experience you start to notice it more

1620
01:16:37,820 --> 01:16:35,550
and more and notice the sort of

1621
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:37,830
characteristic of just knowing rather

1622
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:39,810
than thinking you know or obsessing over

1623
01:16:45,170 --> 01:16:42,210
something which is very different yeah

1624
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:45,180
well if I if I sit and think if anybody

1625
01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:47,610
just had a thought pop in their head you

1626
01:16:49,970 --> 01:16:48,780
know that tomorrow somebody's gonna

1627
01:16:51,940 --> 01:16:49,980
knock and the door and asked me for

1628
01:16:54,580 --> 01:16:51,950
cheese and that actually comes to pass

1629
01:16:59,840 --> 01:16:54,590
somebody's gonna have a heart attack

1630
01:17:03,380 --> 01:16:59,850
that's a pretty big deal and and and in

1631
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:03,390
but what's really strange is as crazy of

1632
01:17:08,030 --> 01:17:06,570
a thought that that may be and it is

1633
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:08,040
somebody would haven't have a heart

1634
01:17:15,710 --> 01:17:11,970
attack but yet every single day somebody

1635
01:17:18,650 --> 01:17:15,720
somewhere thinks of man I haven't talked

1636
01:17:21,950 --> 01:17:18,660
to Bob in 10 years I wonder how Bob is

1637
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:21,960
doing and and then five minutes later

1638
01:17:28,130 --> 01:17:25,770
the phone rings right well that happens

1639
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:28,140
all the time and that hasn't cause heart

1640
01:17:33,380 --> 01:17:31,890
attacks you know what I mean and one

1641
01:17:35,180 --> 01:17:33,390
correspondent the thing is there's

1642
01:17:36,980 --> 01:17:35,190
something about having more than one

1643
01:17:40,220 --> 01:17:36,990
correspondence that really freaks us out

1644
01:17:42,650 --> 01:17:40,230
like I had this one precognitive dream

1645
01:17:44,180 --> 01:17:42,660
about about an apartment that I ended up

1646
01:17:46,430 --> 01:17:44,190
moving into and there were five

1647
01:17:48,110 --> 01:17:46,440
correspondences between my dream and the

1648
01:17:50,750 --> 01:17:48,120
circumstances around the apartment and

1649
01:17:52,370 --> 01:17:50,760
that really I mean I was already having

1650
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:52,380
precognitive experiences all the time

1651
01:17:56,330 --> 01:17:54,090
but that really just just I said I don't

1652
01:17:59,360 --> 01:17:56,340
know how to explain this I mean that was

1653
01:18:00,890 --> 01:17:59,370
as intense statistically intense as the

1654
01:18:01,630 --> 01:18:00,900
guy in Virginia who dreams about five

1655
01:18:03,740 --> 01:18:01,640
numbers and

1656
01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:03,750
enters the lottery four times the next

1657
01:18:10,340 --> 01:18:05,490
day and wins you know that's

1658
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:10,350
statistically bizarre yeah and and for

1659
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:13,290
this is this is what fascinates me so

1660
01:18:19,850 --> 01:18:17,010
much about this there are people out

1661
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:19,860
there and I discussed this nearly every

1662
01:18:23,330 --> 01:18:21,090
day on the show there are people out

1663
01:18:25,970 --> 01:18:23,340
there that don't think that there's

1664
01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:25,980
anything else to life but getting up in

1665
01:18:30,260 --> 01:18:27,510
the morning going to work coming home

1666
01:18:33,140 --> 01:18:30,270
watching TV having dinner going to bed

1667
01:18:36,110 --> 01:18:33,150
rinse and repeat that there is no life

1668
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:36,120
after death there is no ETS there are no

1669
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:38,490
right we're not we're completely alone

1670
01:18:44,030 --> 01:18:41,280
in the universe there is nothing else to

1671
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:44,040
life when you die you turn into dust and

1672
01:18:49,790 --> 01:18:47,040
that's it but yet they will accept the

1673
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:49,800
fact that Bob who they haven't called or

1674
01:18:54,020 --> 01:18:52,290
talked to with ten years and they think

1675
01:18:56,930 --> 01:18:54,030
about him any calls or they have a deja

1676
01:18:58,880 --> 01:18:56,940
vu they don't think that it's anything

1677
01:19:02,150 --> 01:18:58,890
special and you can't convince them

1678
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:02,160
otherwise well I mean some people are

1679
01:19:14,330 --> 01:19:11,930
that's always my answer how boring I

1680
01:19:19,130 --> 01:19:14,340
can't imagine living life that way how

1681
01:19:21,980 --> 01:19:19,140
boring could it be now now again I want

1682
01:19:26,330 --> 01:19:21,990
to get back to some of your comments one

1683
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:26,340
of those is the paradox situation when

1684
01:19:31,250 --> 01:19:29,370
we're dealing with not only Precog but

1685
01:19:32,570 --> 01:19:31,260
certainly time travel after the break

1686
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:32,580
when we come back we'll start to talk

1687
01:19:40,190 --> 01:19:36,330
about time travel but paradoxes enter

1688
01:19:42,170 --> 01:19:40,200
into all of this and and it allows the

1689
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:42,180
scientific community out there to go

1690
01:19:51,140 --> 01:19:47,520
well see that's why it's not real that's

1691
01:19:54,350 --> 01:19:51,150
right and well so what's your response

1692
01:19:55,130 --> 01:19:54,360
to a you know a colleague of yours that

1693
01:19:58,030 --> 01:19:55,140
would say well

1694
01:20:00,020 --> 01:19:58,040
paradoxes make all of this impossible

1695
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:00,030
well I would point them to other

1696
01:20:03,770 --> 01:20:02,370
colleagues who say no you just have to

1697
01:20:07,070 --> 01:20:03,780
deal with the paradox and it's not

1698
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:07,080
actually a paradox so so there's a bunch

1699
01:20:09,860 --> 01:20:08,370
of physicists who are thinking about

1700
01:20:12,260 --> 01:20:09,870
these kind of problems because I'm

1701
01:20:15,230 --> 01:20:12,270
thinking about causal loops in time is a

1702
01:20:16,730 --> 01:20:15,240
hot topic and

1703
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:16,740
that caused a loop in time is like a

1704
01:20:21,020 --> 01:20:18,810
push-me pull-you sort of situation where

1705
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:21,030
the past is influencing the present and

1706
01:20:25,810 --> 01:20:23,250
the future is influencing the past and

1707
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:25,820
so you have this nice little circle and

1708
01:20:31,070 --> 01:20:28,890
so there's this grandfather paradox so

1709
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:31,080
what if I could go back in time then and

1710
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:33,090
and bases like make it so my grandfather

1711
01:20:36,140 --> 01:20:34,770
was never born so I was never born so

1712
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:36,150
that I couldn't go back in time to go

1713
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:38,250
make it so my grandfather was never born

1714
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:40,890
and there's some really simple ways to

1715
01:20:45,140 --> 01:20:43,050
resolve that but for a long time

1716
01:20:45,500 --> 01:20:45,150
scientists didn't want to try to resolve

1717
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:45,510
it

1718
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:48,960
couldn't be time travel or there

1719
01:20:55,010 --> 01:20:51,930
couldn't be retro causality because of

1720
01:20:56,630 --> 01:20:55,020
these causal loops just were thought to

1721
01:20:58,190 --> 01:20:56,640
be immediately paradoxical but that's

1722
01:21:04,570 --> 01:20:58,200
actually changing so that's exciting

1723
01:21:09,020 --> 01:21:04,580
well if they've okay so explain to me if

1724
01:21:12,940 --> 01:21:09,030
for those out there where the future is

1725
01:21:16,820 --> 01:21:12,950
not predetermined so there's no way to

1726
01:21:20,510 --> 01:21:16,830
be precognitive there's no way to have

1727
01:21:21,410 --> 01:21:20,520
premonitions because the future hasn't

1728
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:21,420
happened yet

1729
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:24,810
now I understand the past has happened

1730
01:21:31,010 --> 01:21:27,840
right the past right now we're in the

1731
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:31,020
now now two seconds ago that's there so

1732
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:33,450
that's an obvious thing we don't know

1733
01:21:38,630 --> 01:21:35,850
about the future questions or where this

1734
01:21:42,490 --> 01:21:38,640
show is leading into the future so I

1735
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:42,500
understand the argument but yet

1736
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:45,690
premonitions and Precog is real and

1737
01:21:51,260 --> 01:21:48,570
we've all shared in that right so that

1738
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:51,270
that's it's a weird situation that we

1739
01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:54,210
find ourselves in and indeed that may be

1740
01:21:59,720 --> 01:21:58,290
a paradox right there right and I think

1741
01:22:03,200 --> 01:21:59,730
that there has to be sort of a

1742
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,210
difference between the way things appear

1743
01:22:07,130 --> 01:22:05,280
to us on a day-to-day basis which is

1744
01:22:08,450 --> 01:22:07,140
this yeah the the past is what just

1745
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:08,460
happened the future is the thing that we

1746
01:22:15,230 --> 01:22:12,930
don't know that story and what the

1747
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:15,240
actual sort of story of the universe is

1748
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:17,730
so we have to separate our daily

1749
01:22:21,890 --> 01:22:19,890
experience of and almost what we've been

1750
01:22:23,900 --> 01:22:21,900
taught about time from what's actually

1751
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:23,910
happening so there's almost no evidence

1752
01:22:28,569 --> 01:22:27,210
in physics that there's some kind of

1753
01:22:32,139 --> 01:22:28,579
privileged

1754
01:22:33,509 --> 01:22:32,149
now right right there's there's a lot of

1755
01:22:36,969 --> 01:22:33,519
evidence that there is no privileged

1756
01:22:38,679 --> 01:22:36,979
present moment and so already we have a

1757
01:22:40,719 --> 01:22:38,689
little disconnect and I'll just say

1758
01:22:42,549 --> 01:22:40,729
little generously it's a huge disconnect

1759
01:22:47,049 --> 01:22:42,559
between human experience which is only

1760
01:22:51,579 --> 01:22:47,059
of the now and physics which is not a

1761
01:22:53,049 --> 01:22:51,589
for now at all and so based on that you

1762
01:22:55,779 --> 01:22:53,059
can already see that there needs to be

1763
01:22:57,790 --> 01:22:55,789
different views of what's going on in

1764
01:23:00,699 --> 01:22:57,800
time and then from that what's going on

1765
01:23:06,579 --> 01:23:00,709
in causality and so these these

1766
01:23:08,829 --> 01:23:06,589
paradoxes really seem to come from

1767
01:23:12,909 --> 01:23:08,839
trying to cross between these two views

1768
01:23:15,969 --> 01:23:12,919
trying to apply our experiential sort of

1769
01:23:18,609 --> 01:23:15,979
daily almost folk wisdom about how time

1770
01:23:19,689 --> 01:23:18,619
works based on our perception and to

1771
01:23:21,819 --> 01:23:19,699
assume that that's a correct

1772
01:23:25,659 --> 01:23:21,829
understanding of how the universe is

1773
01:23:28,929 --> 01:23:25,669
working trying to apply that to sort of

1774
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:28,939
the natural world as if as if the

1775
01:23:32,409 --> 01:23:30,320
universe is really is working that way

1776
01:23:34,989 --> 01:23:32,419
and therefore it's problematic to do

1777
01:23:35,979 --> 01:23:34,999
anything differently so I I think it's

1778
01:23:37,209 --> 01:23:35,989
really important to make that

1779
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:37,219
distinction I'm not sure I answered your

1780
01:23:42,369 --> 01:23:39,050
question but no for some reason that's

1781
01:23:44,109 --> 01:23:42,379
what came out of my mouth and see and

1782
01:23:49,419 --> 01:23:44,119
that's what's interesting about this

1783
01:23:53,290 --> 01:23:49,429
because we have the possibility of very

1784
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:53,300
strong one of an alternative parallel

1785
01:23:58,599 --> 01:23:56,239
world and time line that's running in an

1786
01:24:01,959 --> 01:23:58,609
infinite amount to our left and right of

1787
01:24:04,509 --> 01:24:01,969
us with very very slight variations of

1788
01:24:06,579 --> 01:24:04,519
each one and that way as we look into

1789
01:24:09,489 --> 01:24:06,589
the future we could be looking at an

1790
01:24:11,500 --> 01:24:09,499
alternative time line and that is part

1791
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:11,510
of the premonition or part of the Precog

1792
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:14,570
and therefore nothing is predetermined

1793
01:24:19,149 --> 01:24:16,639
because we're looking at alternative

1794
01:24:21,489 --> 01:24:19,159
versions of ourself right that's like

1795
01:24:23,379 --> 01:24:21,499
the multi-universe sort of response to

1796
01:24:26,979 --> 01:24:23,389
the paradox but there's other responses

1797
01:24:31,929 --> 01:24:26,989
to such as oh so another response is

1798
01:24:33,639 --> 01:24:31,939
sort of the the we have like signposts

1799
01:24:37,839 --> 01:24:33,649
that are important events and those

1800
01:24:40,270 --> 01:24:37,849
important events have to happen but how

1801
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:40,280
you get from one event one signpost to

1802
01:24:44,770 --> 01:24:42,080
the other is

1803
01:24:46,420 --> 01:24:44,780
loosey goosey so the ball has to roll

1804
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:46,430
down the hill but it can go through this

1805
01:24:50,020 --> 01:24:47,930
path or it could go through that path

1806
01:24:52,450 --> 01:24:50,030
and that way you could kind of keep

1807
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:52,460
freewill and you can keep some lack of

1808
01:24:58,420 --> 01:24:54,890
complete determinism although certain

1809
01:25:00,370 --> 01:24:58,430
key events are determined so it's like I

1810
01:25:04,150 --> 01:25:00,380
have it both ways kind of scenario and

1811
01:25:07,630 --> 01:25:04,160
then and what if you you manage to go

1812
01:25:10,180 --> 01:25:07,640
off of that path completely to prevent

1813
01:25:12,750 --> 01:25:10,190
the this major signpost in the future

1814
01:25:15,490 --> 01:25:12,760
what happens is the universe implode

1815
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:15,500
well I think in that model that doesn't

1816
01:25:19,180 --> 01:25:17,330
happen so those signposts are those

1817
01:25:20,650 --> 01:25:19,190
signposts and they're in predetermined

1818
01:25:23,140 --> 01:25:20,660
and what's not predetermined is the path

1819
01:25:24,610 --> 01:25:23,150
between them so if you go off the path

1820
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:24,620
completely what that would mean is that

1821
01:25:33,610 --> 01:25:30,170
model is wrong okay okay so if we went

1822
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:33,620
backwards now let's go and look at the

1823
01:25:39,850 --> 01:25:37,010
I've got four minutes so we'll get yeah

1824
01:25:41,980 --> 01:25:39,860
if we go backwards and to go and visit

1825
01:25:46,620 --> 01:25:41,990
the grandfather paradox which has been

1826
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:46,630
done a zillion times but you go and

1827
01:25:50,980 --> 01:25:49,370
you're on the street corner you got the

1828
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:50,990
gun out you're ready to shoot your

1829
01:25:57,460 --> 01:25:54,170
grandfather in the head but the gun jams

1830
01:25:59,620 --> 01:25:57,470
right he still makes it across this

1831
01:26:01,660 --> 01:25:59,630
street to the theatre to meet your

1832
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:01,670
grandmother and they have their first

1833
01:26:06,670 --> 01:26:04,880
date and everything happens right so the

1834
01:26:08,260 --> 01:26:06,680
gun jams now you try to push him in

1835
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:08,270
front of the bus but you twist your

1836
01:26:13,450 --> 01:26:10,330
ankle so that doesn't happen right

1837
01:26:16,690 --> 01:26:13,460
something will always prevent the

1838
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:16,700
paradox from happening right that's one

1839
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:18,800
model that's sort of the Doctor Who

1840
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:21,410
model and the Back to the Future model

1841
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:24,650
and that's yeah that's sort of the model

1842
01:26:27,940 --> 01:26:26,810
that's easy to sort of easy to think

1843
01:26:30,370 --> 01:26:27,950
about is that something will always

1844
01:26:31,660 --> 01:26:30,380
prevent the paradox and that's kind of

1845
01:26:33,550 --> 01:26:31,670
this model that there's many ways

1846
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:33,560
something had to happen but that event

1847
01:26:36,970 --> 01:26:35,330
has to happen the problem of course with

1848
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:36,980
that model is how do you choose these

1849
01:26:40,450 --> 01:26:39,050
signpost events why is one event more

1850
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:40,460
important than another event how do you

1851
01:26:47,170 --> 01:26:43,130
choose what matters in that system and

1852
01:26:50,530 --> 01:26:47,180
that's confusing and the other the other

1853
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:50,540
answer to this would be you do kill your

1854
01:26:56,170 --> 01:26:53,330
grandfather Yeah right in that timeline

1855
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:56,180
a different timeline

1856
01:27:01,870 --> 01:26:59,120
it would automatically update and has

1857
01:27:05,050 --> 01:27:01,880
nothing to do with the uu now and you

1858
01:27:08,110 --> 01:27:05,060
wouldn't be able to see yourself in in

1859
01:27:10,090 --> 01:27:08,120
the past if you did if you're not doing

1860
01:27:13,150 --> 01:27:10,100
physical time-travel again if you're

1861
01:27:16,300 --> 01:27:13,160
doing sort of mental time travel in that

1862
01:27:19,090 --> 01:27:16,310
body I mean so it's tricky right it is

1863
01:27:20,890 --> 01:27:19,100
it is I mean because I would love it I

1864
01:27:24,850 --> 01:27:20,900
would love to go back if I could go back

1865
01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:24,860
in time see this is where things get so

1866
01:27:30,850 --> 01:27:27,920
complicated that I know a lot about the

1867
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:30,860
guitar right right I know all these

1868
01:27:36,030 --> 01:27:33,170
modern techniques with the guitar if I

1869
01:27:40,540 --> 01:27:36,040
took what I know now and went back to

1870
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:40,550
1975 I'm the rock god of all rock gods

1871
01:27:44,050 --> 01:27:43,730
right Hot Tub Time Machine right right

1872
01:27:46,450 --> 01:27:44,060
right

1873
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:46,460
but what do I does that mean I have to

1874
01:27:53,050 --> 01:27:49,120
go back in time and kill myself and

1875
01:27:56,050 --> 01:27:53,060
right or if I go back in time am i the

1876
01:27:58,660 --> 01:27:56,060
younger me or if I'm going back in time

1877
01:28:01,170 --> 01:27:58,670
am I still 55 years old and that doesn't

1878
01:28:04,030 --> 01:28:01,180
hold water it probably depends on which

1879
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:04,040
version of our time travel or future

1880
01:28:06,970 --> 01:28:05,360
time-traveling machines you're hopping

1881
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:06,980
into right one version is just mental

1882
01:28:13,210 --> 01:28:10,130
time travel one is just information and

1883
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:13,220
emotions you know where you don't even

1884
01:28:16,210 --> 01:28:14,570
take your memory with you then one you

1885
01:28:18,910 --> 01:28:16,220
take your memory with you and then later

1886
01:28:21,370 --> 01:28:18,920
you take your memory and information and

1887
01:28:23,770 --> 01:28:21,380
emotions and your body so it all depends

1888
01:28:28,450 --> 01:28:23,780
on which version you're jumping on right

1889
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:28,460
and or you take a van Halen CD you go

1890
01:28:35,710 --> 01:28:32,330
back to 1970 you find Jimi Hendrix

1891
01:28:38,980 --> 01:28:35,720
before he dies you give him the CD and

1892
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:38,990
then you disappear right so now he can

1893
01:28:45,330 --> 01:28:41,450
listen Van Halen and maybe Hendrix

1894
01:28:50,020 --> 01:28:45,340
wouldn't have died and now I you know

1895
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:50,030
yes yes yes yes yes yep Panama comes out

1896
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:53,450
on on bridge no sighs so there you go

1897
01:28:58,030 --> 01:28:55,850
let's take a break right here Julie a

1898
01:29:00,520 --> 01:28:58,040
great conversation so when we come back

1899
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:00,530
let's get into the time-travel side of

1900
01:29:06,869 --> 01:29:03,770
all of this I I can't wait if I can talk

1901
01:29:08,909 --> 01:29:06,879
to a PhD about time travel I've

1902
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:08,919
and that's what this show is about more

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01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:11,050
with julia mas bridge after the short

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Network oh I'm listening to Jimmy Church

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[Music]

1982
01:33:54,790 --> 01:33:52,419
welcome back fade to black I'm your host

1983
01:33:56,169 --> 01:33:54,800
Jimmy church tonight dr. Julia Moss

1984
01:33:59,799 --> 01:33:56,179
bridge is here we're talking about her

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new book written with Teresa Chung the

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premonition code it is amazing the links

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for the book are right up there at Jimmy

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and it is highly recommended amazing

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book a great job by the way

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Julia the book is absolutely phenomenal

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01:34:20,799 --> 01:34:16,280
now let's talk about let's talk about

1993
01:34:23,500 --> 01:34:20,809
time travel and now I laid it out in the

1994
01:34:25,779 --> 01:34:23,510
beginning of the show I'll give you the

1995
01:34:27,879 --> 01:34:25,789
very abridged version of it right now

1996
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:27,889
it's like the ultimate paradox

1997
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:31,130
now relativity if you just stop right

1998
01:34:35,229 --> 01:34:33,170
there no time machines involved you just

1999
01:34:38,950 --> 01:34:35,239
need a little dose of the speed of light

2000
01:34:42,220 --> 01:34:38,960
but let's say and it's the like the

2001
01:34:46,290 --> 01:34:42,230
ultimate paradox that you and I am Rita

2002
01:34:49,209 --> 01:34:46,300
right we jump on a ship we head off boom

2003
01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:49,219
achieve the speed of light we do a

2004
01:34:53,709 --> 01:34:51,710
u-turn we come back you know a few years

2005
01:34:55,359 --> 01:34:53,719
later planet Earth it's now a thousand

2006
01:34:58,330 --> 01:34:55,369
years in the future ten thousand years

2007
01:35:01,180 --> 01:34:58,340
we are now Time Traveller's you and I

2008
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:01,190
and Rita have just aged a few years we

2009
01:35:04,959 --> 01:35:03,050
still look young and vibrant and cool

2010
01:35:08,140 --> 01:35:04,969
nothing has changed really in our world

2011
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:08,150
but we arrived back here thousands of

2012
01:35:14,620 --> 01:35:11,090
years have passed now we are time

2013
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:14,630
travelers that's it we have gone to the

2014
01:35:20,890 --> 01:35:17,530
future there's nothing to argue here and

2015
01:35:23,950 --> 01:35:20,900
we find out when we get back that were

2016
01:35:27,279 --> 01:35:23,960
not stuck that time travel has been

2017
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:27,289
achieved and they take us and then send

2018
01:35:34,660 --> 01:35:32,090
us back to today holy crap right now now

2019
01:35:36,910 --> 01:35:34,670
and all of this this is not out of the

2020
01:35:39,729 --> 01:35:36,920
realm of possibility that theater

2021
01:35:44,470 --> 01:35:39,739
theoretically on paper all of this works

2022
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:44,480
Einstein said it was so now why this is

2023
01:35:52,930 --> 01:35:49,010
the paradox why haven't we've seen time

2024
01:35:56,049 --> 01:35:52,940
travelers from the future why do we

2025
01:36:01,870 --> 01:35:56,059
think we haven't ah that's why you're a

2026
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:01,880
guest on this show I read so so so yeah

2027
01:36:06,700 --> 01:36:04,130
I mean we're already piecing together so

2028
01:36:08,380 --> 01:36:06,710
the pieces for time travel we've got

2029
01:36:11,380 --> 01:36:08,390
mental time travel we're talking about

2030
01:36:13,630 --> 01:36:11,390
precognition right we've already got

2031
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:13,640
physical time travel on the quantum

2032
01:36:19,540 --> 01:36:16,970
scale mm where effect a quantum effect

2033
01:36:21,940 --> 01:36:19,550
from a what we call a future particle

2034
01:36:24,010 --> 01:36:21,950
seems to be affecting a particle the

2035
01:36:28,060 --> 01:36:24,020
past even after that particle ceases to

2036
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:28,070
exist so that's definitely time travel

2037
01:36:33,370 --> 01:36:31,090
on the quantum scale we have

2038
01:36:35,140 --> 01:36:33,380
informational time travel on the quantum

2039
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:35,150
scale coming soon I believe because we

2040
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:37,970
have teleportation of particles from one

2041
01:36:43,630 --> 01:36:41,600
place to another and we also have this

2042
01:36:46,180 --> 01:36:43,640
physical time travel on the quantum

2043
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:46,190
scale so it feels to me we're getting

2044
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:48,530
closer and closer to sort of the big

2045
01:36:54,100 --> 01:36:51,890
shebang which is physical time travel

2046
01:36:57,310 --> 01:36:54,110
taking a body and its contents

2047
01:37:02,790 --> 01:36:57,320
information so the mental informational

2048
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:02,800
pieces and transporting them in time so

2049
01:37:12,340 --> 01:37:06,290
it's going on there I'm sorry

2050
01:37:15,550 --> 01:37:12,350
I met ions ions late and there's a guy

2051
01:37:17,980 --> 01:37:15,560
cleaning up so that is it sounded like a

2052
01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:17,990
ginormous building - so you're at you're

2053
01:37:24,850 --> 01:37:22,880
at no wedeck right now so jealous I'm so

2054
01:37:26,290 --> 01:37:24,860
jealous you know what I want to do there

2055
01:37:29,070 --> 01:37:26,300
we're gonna come back to this in a

2056
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:29,080
second I would love I don't know if they

2057
01:37:34,330 --> 01:37:31,850
Dean would allow us to do this but maybe

2058
01:37:36,820 --> 01:37:34,340
it happens I would like to get up there

2059
01:37:40,450 --> 01:37:36,830
with a few of my friends walk out there

2060
01:37:44,350 --> 01:37:40,460
at night with our night vision and look

2061
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:44,360
up at the sky and see what happens up

2062
01:37:49,450 --> 01:37:47,210
there over the compound well so this

2063
01:37:54,430 --> 01:37:49,460
okay just okay you're getting me excited

2064
01:37:56,350 --> 01:37:54,440
because two things so one that speaks to

2065
01:37:58,330 --> 01:37:56,360
the question you asked about so why

2066
01:37:59,890 --> 01:37:58,340
haven't we seen people now if you were

2067
01:38:01,330 --> 01:37:59,900
traveling in time if we actually in the

2068
01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:01,340
future let's say we do a physical try

2069
01:38:06,910 --> 01:38:03,520
and time travel and you come back now

2070
01:38:09,310 --> 01:38:06,920
how would you how would you interact

2071
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:09,320
with people how that you don't get

2072
01:38:13,540 --> 01:38:11,210
killed and you don't get thrown into a

2073
01:38:16,450 --> 01:38:13,550
mental institution right we'd have to

2074
01:38:17,859 --> 01:38:16,460
find creative ways to do that so one way

2075
01:38:19,569 --> 01:38:17,869
is to try to blend in

2076
01:38:21,659 --> 01:38:19,579
and know enough about the culture of the

2077
01:38:24,250 --> 01:38:21,669
time that you're visiting to blend in

2078
01:38:26,199 --> 01:38:24,260
another way is to sort of blend in but

2079
01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:26,209
then leek pieces of useful information

2080
01:38:30,369 --> 01:38:28,249
they that is the reason that you

2081
01:38:31,989 --> 01:38:30,379
time-traveled in the first place and

2082
01:38:34,719 --> 01:38:31,999
another way is to completely not blend

2083
01:38:36,250 --> 01:38:34,729
in and just be completely bizarre and no

2084
01:38:39,729 --> 01:38:36,260
one will believe you like be an alien

2085
01:38:42,580 --> 01:38:39,739
right anyway so we were talking about

2086
01:38:45,069 --> 01:38:42,590
this about you know time travel in ways

2087
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:45,079
that you would do that and appear we

2088
01:38:48,819 --> 01:38:46,489
were all sitting in the hot tub here at

2089
01:38:51,969 --> 01:38:48,829
ions there's a big sort of rectangular

2090
01:38:54,339 --> 01:38:51,979
hot tub and there's some kind of staff

2091
01:38:56,919 --> 01:38:54,349
retreat and we were and I had this

2092
01:38:58,270 --> 01:38:56,929
feeling and I said okay everyone you

2093
01:38:59,469 --> 01:38:58,280
know I don't know let's just look at

2094
01:39:01,479 --> 01:38:59,479
this guy I feel like something's gonna

2095
01:39:04,270 --> 01:39:01,489
go on so we're looking at the sky and

2096
01:39:05,649 --> 01:39:04,280
about two minutes later this blue flash

2097
01:39:07,929 --> 01:39:05,659
of beautiful light

2098
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:07,939
I came up over the tree that was

2099
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:11,090
slightly to our left and we all saw it

2100
01:39:15,909 --> 01:39:13,280
and then we talked about it and that was

2101
01:39:18,699 --> 01:39:15,919
that but it's very interesting

2102
01:39:21,819 --> 01:39:18,709
experience and I look at when it happens

2103
01:39:26,489 --> 01:39:21,829
I love it when it happens yeah I've had

2104
01:39:28,839 --> 01:39:26,499
the same types of things go down and I

2105
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:28,849
when you go and you tell somebody that

2106
01:39:32,859 --> 01:39:30,530
experience like you did right here I

2107
01:39:37,529 --> 01:39:32,869
mean I just told you I love it when it

2108
01:39:40,569 --> 01:39:37,539
happens it's so hard to the uninitiated

2109
01:39:43,689 --> 01:39:40,579
to even understand what you are trying

2110
01:39:46,060 --> 01:39:43,699
to say yeah they don't get it but when

2111
01:39:48,369 --> 01:39:46,070
it does happen like that you just got to

2112
01:39:50,969 --> 01:39:48,379
just sit back kind of like a deja vu

2113
01:39:53,169 --> 01:39:50,979
right and just enjoy the experience

2114
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:53,179
that's what happened it's like that was

2115
01:39:57,189 --> 01:39:55,280
my experience that doesn't mean anything

2116
01:40:01,389 --> 01:39:57,199
but that was my experience and what's

2117
01:40:04,209 --> 01:40:01,399
going on well now if we were all coming

2118
01:40:08,409 --> 01:40:04,219
back on our round trip at Lightspeed

2119
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:08,419
yeah we would first off it would take us

2120
01:40:14,049 --> 01:40:11,840
probably weeks to slow down they would

2121
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:14,059
know that the ship is approaching we

2122
01:40:21,159 --> 01:40:18,320
would tell them hey we left in in 2020

2123
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:21,169
on this ship we went out at Lightspeed

2124
01:40:25,719 --> 01:40:23,090
and now we're coming back this is who we

2125
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:25,729
are and maybe they would have records of

2126
01:40:31,020 --> 01:40:29,449
our launch from 10,000 years prior and

2127
01:40:35,669 --> 01:40:31,030
they would be expecting

2128
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:35,679
yes there's that part of it but I guess

2129
01:40:40,549 --> 01:40:38,320
the point that I am trying to make is

2130
01:40:43,410 --> 01:40:40,559
that in the future

2131
01:40:47,310 --> 01:40:43,420
certainly they have conquer time travel

2132
01:40:49,229 --> 01:40:47,320
in a mechanical physical sense yeah you

2133
01:40:51,810 --> 01:40:49,239
know and and so we wouldn't necessarily

2134
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:51,820
be locked into the future and then we

2135
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:54,130
would come back here and then we would

2136
01:41:00,180 --> 01:40:57,130
tell everybody about the experience from

2137
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:00,190
the future and ending on the culture

2138
01:41:03,379 --> 01:41:01,449
yeah I mean I don't think we're at a

2139
01:41:06,839 --> 01:41:03,389
culture right now where if you came back

2140
01:41:08,490 --> 01:41:06,849
I mean unless it was something that was

2141
01:41:10,830 --> 01:41:08,500
physical like that you know you know

2142
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:10,840
your relativity this happened we would

2143
01:41:15,209 --> 01:41:12,250
need to have a record of it to believe

2144
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:15,219
that that was what happened right so

2145
01:41:21,620 --> 01:41:19,210
what what's your answer to that do you

2146
01:41:25,379 --> 01:41:21,630
think that in the future they have

2147
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:25,389
conquered time travel and that time

2148
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:28,650
travel is a reality right now today and

2149
01:41:34,830 --> 01:41:31,449
there are time travelers walking around

2150
01:41:39,470 --> 01:41:34,840
us right now I think that in the future

2151
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:39,480
we have conquered time travel and that's

2152
01:41:43,859 --> 01:41:42,010
yeah I mean I think that one consequence

2153
01:41:47,459 --> 01:41:43,869
of having that belief that we eventually

2154
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:47,469
conquer it is that there are if we

2155
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:49,210
conquer it in the physical sense is that

2156
01:41:53,399 --> 01:41:50,770
we've either decided that it's not a

2157
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:53,409
good idea to interfere with past events

2158
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:54,010
mm-hm

2159
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:56,320
or you know we've done some calculations

2160
01:42:00,600 --> 01:41:58,719
or have had some horrible mistakes and

2161
01:42:04,290 --> 01:42:00,610
realize that was not a good idea or we

2162
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:04,300
are and that's a normal a normal piece

2163
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:07,090
of what's going on in fact I make a

2164
01:42:11,310 --> 01:42:09,010
proposition in the book that I think

2165
01:42:14,069 --> 01:42:11,320
about periodically which is what if

2166
01:42:15,930 --> 01:42:14,079
there's some sort of agreement that

2167
01:42:18,510 --> 01:42:15,940
informational time travel sort of

2168
01:42:21,209 --> 01:42:18,520
sending back bits of information rather

2169
01:42:23,069 --> 01:42:21,219
than sending back actual humans is the

2170
01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:23,079
way to go and you could imagine why that

2171
01:42:30,620 --> 01:42:24,880
would be sort of a smarter thing to do

2172
01:42:33,540 --> 01:42:30,630
okay I'm going to shoot him a dirty look

2173
01:42:36,209 --> 01:42:33,550
yeah or just something like now maybe

2174
01:42:37,979 --> 01:42:36,219
it's not a great idea to invent the you

2175
01:42:40,350 --> 01:42:37,989
know atom bomb or whatever it is and

2176
01:42:42,209 --> 01:42:40,360
just get that piece of information back

2177
01:42:44,430 --> 01:42:42,219
there but it might be more efficient and

2178
01:42:46,410 --> 01:42:44,440
in that case we should be able to see

2179
01:42:49,670 --> 01:42:46,420
of changes and probabilities of what

2180
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:49,680
would be expected based on the past

2181
01:42:56,490 --> 01:42:53,760
compared to what actually happens and so

2182
01:42:59,220 --> 01:42:56,500
it seems to me you could write some kind

2183
01:43:01,439 --> 01:42:59,230
of algorithm to sort of look at

2184
01:43:03,090 --> 01:43:01,449
probabilities of world events and see if

2185
01:43:05,820 --> 01:43:03,100
there are some interesting shifts that

2186
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:05,830
are kind of unpredictable and if they

2187
01:43:09,209 --> 01:43:07,330
increase that during a particular time

2188
01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:09,219
that might be a time of lots of

2189
01:43:12,540 --> 01:43:11,440
information being leaked back it seems

2190
01:43:15,870 --> 01:43:12,550
like there's something you could do

2191
01:43:18,150 --> 01:43:15,880
there well then we have another thing to

2192
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:18,160
look at here and if we go into the

2193
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:21,850
extreme future of us of us versions of

2194
01:43:26,540 --> 01:43:22,330
us

2195
01:43:30,540 --> 01:43:26,550
stretching out 10,000 years or further

2196
01:43:31,740 --> 01:43:30,550
that we may not even have these physical

2197
01:43:34,740 --> 01:43:31,750
bodies anymore

2198
01:43:36,990 --> 01:43:34,750
we may have seriously transitioned into

2199
01:43:40,650 --> 01:43:37,000
something else that we wouldn't even

2200
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:40,660
recognize today and those time travelers

2201
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:43,570
coming back they may be the future

2202
01:43:47,970 --> 01:43:45,610
humans but they wouldn't be humans that

2203
01:43:51,300 --> 01:43:47,980
we recognize and it could be even

2204
01:43:55,260 --> 01:43:51,310
something totally energetic and and not

2205
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:55,270
physical at all and therefore that would

2206
01:43:59,520 --> 01:43:57,280
answer all of Stephen Hawking's

2207
01:44:01,560 --> 01:43:59,530
questions about you know his time

2208
01:44:08,250 --> 01:44:01,570
traveler party that nobody showed up

2209
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:08,260
well he may not even have seen them well

2210
01:44:11,010 --> 01:44:09,850
and also maybe no one wants to go to the

2211
01:44:14,700 --> 01:44:11,020
party because they're pointing out that

2212
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:14,710
he was wrong I mean so different oh what

2213
01:44:19,770 --> 01:44:17,170
the time-travel politics are like but

2214
01:44:21,450 --> 01:44:19,780
assuming that the human that human

2215
01:44:23,490 --> 01:44:21,460
beings are always going to have to and

2216
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:23,500
have it their bodies to be conscious in

2217
01:44:27,180 --> 01:44:25,570
the future is probably an assumption

2218
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:27,190
that we make now because we don't think

2219
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:29,650
otherwise you know it's hard to think

2220
01:44:32,970 --> 01:44:31,600
about not having a body but it's quite

2221
01:44:34,350 --> 01:44:32,980
possible in the future that we figure

2222
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:34,360
out how to deal with consciousness

2223
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:35,650
without having to lug around these

2224
01:44:41,580 --> 01:44:38,290
bodies all the time in that case why

2225
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:41,590
would we have to time travel with our

2226
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:44,890
bodies that's not very efficient and

2227
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:48,489
then we have time travel of the mind and

2228
01:44:52,020 --> 01:44:49,930
you brought this up I brought it up in

2229
01:44:53,729 --> 01:44:52,030
my opening statements tonight that's

2230
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:53,739
that's the other part that I really

2231
01:44:59,460 --> 01:44:55,570
really dig

2232
01:45:02,550 --> 01:44:59,470
and that is seeing the past or seeing

2233
01:45:04,260 --> 01:45:02,560
the future and in using your mind for

2234
01:45:06,570 --> 01:45:04,270
this and you're taking the physicality

2235
01:45:08,370 --> 01:45:06,580
out of it and not only that but you're

2236
01:45:10,620 --> 01:45:08,380
taking the technical things that you

2237
01:45:11,970 --> 01:45:10,630
would have to overcome to as well the

2238
01:45:15,290 --> 01:45:11,980
position of the earth and the universe

2239
01:45:18,660 --> 01:45:15,300
and the solar system and where it's at

2240
01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:18,670
you're taking that part of it out and

2241
01:45:25,470 --> 01:45:22,080
now it's only time travel of the mind

2242
01:45:27,690 --> 01:45:25,480
right well you know we we have this

2243
01:45:30,150 --> 01:45:27,700
habit here's the thing I think we have

2244
01:45:33,150 --> 01:45:30,160
this habit where we take what's going on

2245
01:45:35,130 --> 01:45:33,160
in the physical world and sort of the

2246
01:45:36,990 --> 01:45:35,140
rules for you know if I drop the ball it

2247
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:37,000
falls to the ground or whatever

2248
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:39,130
the rules for the physical world and we

2249
01:45:43,620 --> 01:45:41,650
assume that those world those rules

2250
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:43,630
apply to the mental world but we have no

2251
01:45:47,730 --> 01:45:45,280
evidence that they do in fact we have

2252
01:45:51,060 --> 01:45:47,740
evidence that they don't so we assume

2253
01:45:53,550 --> 01:45:51,070
that because you know I'm physically

2254
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:53,560
separate from you then that also means

2255
01:45:59,700 --> 01:45:56,050
that our minds don't connect in any way

2256
01:46:02,940 --> 01:45:59,710
or because my body feels different on

2257
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:02,950
day three as compared to day four that

2258
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:05,410
there's no kind of mental connection

2259
01:46:11,250 --> 01:46:07,810
between those two days and that's just

2260
01:46:13,980 --> 01:46:11,260
sloppy thinking right mm-hmm

2261
01:46:16,620 --> 01:46:13,990
so what we call mental time travel is

2262
01:46:18,690 --> 01:46:16,630
not making that assumption so instead

2263
01:46:20,580 --> 01:46:18,700
it's like okay so what is the connection

2264
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:20,590
between today and tomorrow mentally

2265
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:23,170
maybe there's some kind of a resonance

2266
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:25,450
or something where whatever the event is

2267
01:46:29,370 --> 01:46:27,370
today or if I miss in a certain location

2268
01:46:31,050 --> 01:46:29,380
today I can get information about

2269
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:31,060
something that's similar that's sort of

2270
01:46:35,670 --> 01:46:33,010
stimulating that resonance that's

2271
01:46:38,820 --> 01:46:35,680
happening tomorrow and that that really

2272
01:46:41,670 --> 01:46:38,830
is mental time travel or remembering the

2273
01:46:43,710 --> 01:46:41,680
future in a way or precognition and then

2274
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:43,720
there's mental time travel to the past

2275
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:44,890
you'll be sitting there and then you'll

2276
01:46:48,330 --> 01:46:46,930
have a memory hope you know when you

2277
01:46:50,850 --> 01:46:48,340
were seven years old and you were riding

2278
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:50,860
your bike and you fell down and it's

2279
01:46:56,900 --> 01:46:51,930
very real

2280
01:46:59,820 --> 01:46:56,910
and is there a way to have you met

2281
01:47:03,630 --> 01:46:59,830
somebody that has gone to the distant

2282
01:47:05,460 --> 01:47:03,640
past you know through the mind and I'm

2283
01:47:08,300 --> 01:47:05,470
talking about the distant past let's

2284
01:47:10,670 --> 01:47:08,310
talk ancient Egypt or

2285
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:10,680
you know the crucifixion or hung out

2286
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:17,250
with da Vinci you know I met a guy who

2287
01:47:24,740 --> 01:47:22,290
is researcher in precognition who had an

2288
01:47:28,970 --> 01:47:24,750
experience of standing on top of a hill

2289
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:28,980
in I don't know Mesopotamia or someplace

2290
01:47:37,130 --> 01:47:31,410
that you know you've heard up from

2291
01:47:38,780 --> 01:47:37,140
middle school social studies that

2292
01:47:43,580 --> 01:47:38,790
doesn't exist anymore by the same name

2293
01:47:44,930 --> 01:47:43,590
and his experience was interacting with

2294
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:44,940
the natural environment but not

2295
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:47,610
interacting with any people so that's

2296
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:49,290
the only person I've known to have had

2297
01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:54,090
that experience and I was impressed with

2298
01:48:01,910 --> 01:47:57,050
the realism with which he spoke about it

2299
01:48:03,830 --> 01:48:01,920
he was absolutely convincing in his

2300
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:03,840
discussion of what had happened to him

2301
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:09,360
how far back did he go I don't remember

2302
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:13,290
but it was like more than you know more

2303
01:48:21,740 --> 01:48:17,280
than 5,000 years we have so many guests

2304
01:48:25,130 --> 01:48:21,750
on this show that have time traveled to

2305
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:25,140
the distance pass and interacted and

2306
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:30,090
observed things and in in a very like

2307
01:48:36,740 --> 01:48:31,410
you're saying here in a very vibrant

2308
01:48:40,430 --> 01:48:36,750
detailed manner and the the descriptions

2309
01:48:43,010 --> 01:48:40,440
of this I don't I don't discount what is

2310
01:48:45,830 --> 01:48:43,020
what is going on but I think that in

2311
01:48:50,230 --> 01:48:45,840
large part it's not necessarily

2312
01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:50,240
controllable or is something that is

2313
01:48:55,220 --> 01:48:53,730
it's it's an accident well I think for

2314
01:48:57,680 --> 01:48:55,230
most people it's spontaneous certainly

2315
01:48:59,390 --> 01:48:57,690
it was work I write and what I've read

2316
01:49:01,370 --> 01:48:59,400
about for people who have these

2317
01:49:03,380 --> 01:49:01,380
experiences like all of a sudden whoops

2318
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:03,390
you know you look around and you're

2319
01:49:07,100 --> 01:49:04,890
seeing things and you're hearing things

2320
01:49:08,690 --> 01:49:07,110
and you're smelling things and you're

2321
01:49:12,050 --> 01:49:08,700
really feeling like you're in a

2322
01:49:15,730 --> 01:49:12,060
different place and it is a thing that

2323
01:49:19,610 --> 01:49:15,740
happened to you now there are other

2324
01:49:21,859 --> 01:49:19,620
historical moments where we have made

2325
01:49:25,229 --> 01:49:21,869
enormous

2326
01:49:26,700 --> 01:49:25,239
jumps in and technology and knowledge

2327
01:49:28,830 --> 01:49:26,710
and you know that's been part of our

2328
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:28,840
evolution and we can go back to

2329
01:49:36,209 --> 01:49:33,130
different specific instances of say fire

2330
01:49:40,399 --> 01:49:36,219
or the wheel or the domestication of

2331
01:49:44,069 --> 01:49:40,409
wheat or mathematics or astronomy

2332
01:49:46,140 --> 01:49:44,079
physics mathematics all of these you

2333
01:49:49,379 --> 01:49:46,150
know seminal moments throughout human

2334
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:49,389
history or some have suggested you know

2335
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:52,570
we made et contact others will say that

2336
01:49:58,169 --> 01:49:55,360
it was information from God from the

2337
01:50:00,439 --> 01:49:58,179
heavens well then there's the other part

2338
01:50:03,899 --> 01:50:00,449
with each one of these where you could

2339
01:50:06,780 --> 01:50:03,909
insert the word timetraveler

2340
01:50:10,220 --> 01:50:06,790
in there and and come up with the same

2341
01:50:12,450 --> 01:50:10,230
results what do you think about that I

2342
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:12,460
think that's a likely possibility I

2343
01:50:19,319 --> 01:50:15,130
think that I was just chatting today

2344
01:50:23,839 --> 01:50:19,329
with a guy who had visited a pyramid in

2345
01:50:27,390 --> 01:50:23,849
Egypt and had noticed that one of the

2346
01:50:30,540 --> 01:50:27,400
drawings on very sort of I guess the art

2347
01:50:32,300 --> 01:50:30,550
on the side of one of the rooms had an

2348
01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:32,310
image of what looked like a transformer

2349
01:50:38,010 --> 01:50:35,920
with electricity coming from it and

2350
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:38,020
something that looked like an electrical

2351
01:50:44,970 --> 01:50:40,170
outlet and he thought well is that just

2352
01:50:48,500 --> 01:50:44,980
coincidence or because in ancient Egypt

2353
01:50:54,770 --> 01:50:48,510
this should not be something that exists

2354
01:50:57,419 --> 01:50:54,780
or is that time travel or do we have

2355
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:57,429
sort of transformers and electricity

2356
01:51:02,640 --> 01:50:59,920
because of information that's come

2357
01:51:05,939 --> 01:51:02,650
coming from some common other source

2358
01:51:08,430 --> 01:51:05,949
that keeps coming back to us well we

2359
01:51:13,500 --> 01:51:08,440
have to look at it that way giulia in

2360
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:13,510
that it may in in each one of these

2361
01:51:16,169 --> 01:51:15,610
instances it's information from the

2362
01:51:21,089 --> 01:51:16,179
future

2363
01:51:23,569 --> 01:51:21,099
they tried to figure it out and so they

2364
01:51:26,609 --> 01:51:23,579
built a wheel because they saw cars

2365
01:51:29,850 --> 01:51:26,619
right in a premonition so now they're

2366
01:51:32,729 --> 01:51:29,860
building carts you know 3,000 years ago

2367
01:51:34,590 --> 01:51:32,739
okay that that makes sense and then you

2368
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:34,600
have somebody else like Devine

2369
01:51:40,620 --> 01:51:38,530
she who clearly was seeing things and

2370
01:51:44,540 --> 01:51:40,630
designing things that were not part of

2371
01:51:46,380 --> 01:51:44,550
his world helicopters you know tanks

2372
01:51:49,530 --> 01:51:46,390
machine guns

2373
01:51:53,490 --> 01:51:49,540
that's right and so was he visited by a

2374
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:53,500
time traveler or did he have a

2375
01:51:58,170 --> 01:51:55,930
premonition and Precog of the future

2376
01:52:00,150 --> 01:51:58,180
where he saw a future world and he was

2377
01:52:03,270 --> 01:52:00,160
just trying to replicate it where he was

2378
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:03,280
at but certainly something happened

2379
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:05,170
there that was magical and I don't know

2380
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:08,770
which way to go with it well and I'm not

2381
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:10,810
sure there's so much of a difference I

2382
01:52:16,290 --> 01:52:15,010
think we're worse it's almost again it's

2383
01:52:18,540 --> 01:52:16,300
one of these things where if you're

2384
01:52:20,250 --> 01:52:18,550
focused on time as this linear past

2385
01:52:22,530 --> 01:52:20,260
present future then there is a

2386
01:52:27,750 --> 01:52:22,540
difference between receiving information

2387
01:52:29,730 --> 01:52:27,760
from the future and and a time traveler

2388
01:52:31,590 --> 01:52:29,740
offering information because it's like a

2389
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:31,600
direction of causality are you receiving

2390
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:36,010
or are you on the end of of an action

2391
01:52:41,700 --> 01:52:37,930
but in a way those are the same thing

2392
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:41,710
what and we haven't even what is time to

2393
01:52:48,990 --> 01:52:43,810
you what's your definition of time okay

2394
01:52:51,480 --> 01:52:49,000
let's get down to that yeah right yeah

2395
01:52:53,580 --> 01:52:51,490
what is time and I you know I used to

2396
01:52:55,470 --> 01:52:53,590
have a good answer for that and the more

2397
01:52:59,040 --> 01:52:55,480
I learned the more I have a really

2398
01:53:04,650 --> 01:52:59,050
horrible answer for that which is time

2399
01:53:09,300 --> 01:53:04,660
is a multifaceted time is not one thing

2400
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:09,310
it's a it's a multi-faceted construct

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01:53:16,260 --> 01:53:13,930
and experience and with with many

2402
01:53:19,620 --> 01:53:16,270
components that seem to be related in

2403
01:53:22,410 --> 01:53:19,630
some way but not always so so there's

2404
01:53:25,890 --> 01:53:22,420
experiencial components like order like

2405
01:53:27,780 --> 01:53:25,900
a came before B and there's experience

2406
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:27,790
real components like duration so this

2407
01:53:32,850 --> 01:53:29,530
conversation lasts a certain amount of

2408
01:53:35,190 --> 01:53:32,860
time and there's experiencial components

2409
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:35,200
like synchrony like this came at the

2410
01:53:40,410 --> 01:53:39,040
same time as that we're not which is

2411
01:53:43,590 --> 01:53:40,420
similar but not exactly the same as

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01:53:44,970 --> 01:53:43,600
order and and so those are sort of

2413
01:53:48,419 --> 01:53:44,980
experience or components and then

2414
01:53:51,209 --> 01:53:48,429
there's the convey construct component

2415
01:53:53,250 --> 01:53:51,219
about okay so if one thing can become

2416
01:53:56,370 --> 01:53:53,260
before another thing that means things

2417
01:53:58,350 --> 01:53:56,380
come at different times and if things

2418
01:54:01,410 --> 01:53:58,360
come at different times that means

2419
01:54:04,319 --> 01:54:01,420
there's some time that's we're gonna

2420
01:54:06,419 --> 01:54:04,329
label now and that's different from

2421
01:54:08,729 --> 01:54:06,429
other times and if there are other times

2422
01:54:10,979 --> 01:54:08,739
that are not now we're gonna call the

2423
01:54:11,939 --> 01:54:10,989
one that we remember the past and we're

2424
01:54:15,209 --> 01:54:11,949
going to call the one that we don't

2425
01:54:17,429 --> 01:54:15,219
generally remember the future and if

2426
01:54:18,660 --> 01:54:17,439
there's the past in the future then that

2427
01:54:20,219 --> 01:54:18,670
means there's some kind of progression

2428
01:54:21,660 --> 01:54:20,229
now we don't really know that there's

2429
01:54:22,949 --> 01:54:21,670
any kind of progression we don't really

2430
01:54:25,529 --> 01:54:22,959
know that the past and future actually

2431
01:54:28,830 --> 01:54:25,539
exist but these are sort of constructs

2432
01:54:33,509 --> 01:54:28,840
that we draw from our daily experience

2433
01:54:35,819 --> 01:54:33,519
sort of the folk wisdom of time and then

2434
01:54:37,169 --> 01:54:35,829
there's these physical things that we

2435
01:54:39,390 --> 01:54:37,179
could sort of look at and pretend we're

2436
01:54:40,919 --> 01:54:39,400
a fly on the wall and watch as if being

2437
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:40,929
an observer doesn't affect anything

2438
01:54:46,830 --> 01:54:43,530
which is false but let's say we do that

2439
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:46,840
then then we can develop these sort of

2440
01:54:51,750 --> 01:54:48,610
we might want to call them other

2441
01:54:53,689 --> 01:54:51,760
concepts or other constructs about time

2442
01:54:57,149 --> 01:54:53,699
but the problem is they're all in the

2443
01:54:59,069 --> 01:54:57,159
context of our perception so they're all

2444
01:55:04,160 --> 01:54:59,079
the context of these experience of

2445
01:55:07,739 --> 01:55:04,170
pieces so it's time is almost like

2446
01:55:10,739 --> 01:55:07,749
calling the time it's almost like saying

2447
01:55:14,339 --> 01:55:10,749
the same thing as experience I mean it's

2448
01:55:17,069 --> 01:55:14,349
very hard to differentiate what someone

2449
01:55:21,620 --> 01:55:17,079
means when they say experience if what

2450
01:55:26,219 --> 01:55:21,630
they if they don't mean basically

2451
01:55:29,899 --> 01:55:26,229
feeling time as it goes by I don't know

2452
01:55:36,779 --> 01:55:33,870
we'll see and this is this is my take I

2453
01:55:41,910 --> 01:55:36,789
just want the audience to as simple as

2454
01:55:44,939 --> 01:55:41,920
it may be yeah time to me it's just a

2455
01:55:49,229 --> 01:55:44,949
watch that's what time is time is a

2456
01:55:55,439 --> 01:55:49,239
clock time is something that we were

2457
01:55:58,890 --> 01:55:55,449
given to measure that's it and without

2458
01:56:01,950 --> 01:55:58,900
without clocks or watches to remind us

2459
01:56:04,350 --> 01:56:01,960
of what time it is or

2460
01:56:06,750 --> 01:56:04,360
how much time has passed or how we can

2461
01:56:09,959 --> 01:56:06,760
anticipate how long the next hour is

2462
01:56:12,209 --> 01:56:09,969
going to be is only because of clocks

2463
01:56:14,540 --> 01:56:12,219
and watches the mechanical

2464
01:56:18,630 --> 01:56:14,550
representation of it other than that

2465
01:56:20,940 --> 01:56:18,640
time doesn't really exist exist because

2466
01:56:27,180 --> 01:56:20,950
nobody at time is different to everybody

2467
01:56:28,530 --> 01:56:27,190
if you try to have somebody gauge how

2468
01:56:30,570 --> 01:56:28,540
much time is passed

2469
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:30,580
it's all relative to that individual and

2470
01:56:36,060 --> 01:56:33,250
nobody is right about it and if you if

2471
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:36,070
you if you take the Sun out of it

2472
01:56:39,900 --> 01:56:37,690
right if you take the Sun out of it and

2473
01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:39,910
put somebody in a room without any

2474
01:56:45,570 --> 01:56:42,850
clocks in it it's different they're not

2475
01:56:48,390 --> 01:56:45,580
gonna even have a clue to what's really

2476
01:56:50,459 --> 01:56:48,400
going on right well I mean their their

2477
01:56:53,610 --> 01:56:50,469
circadian rhythm will gradually start

2478
01:56:56,040 --> 01:56:53,620
shifting so yeah I mean a lot of it is

2479
01:56:58,770 --> 01:56:56,050
taught and there are cultures in which

2480
01:57:00,740 --> 01:56:58,780
so I agree with that assessment of a lot

2481
01:57:05,010 --> 01:57:00,750
of it is this construct that's taught

2482
01:57:06,690 --> 01:57:05,020
culturally and sort of yep mostly within

2483
01:57:10,290 --> 01:57:06,700
our culture and linguistically I guess

2484
01:57:13,950 --> 01:57:10,300
but there are cultures in which you

2485
01:57:16,620 --> 01:57:13,960
don't use the past tense unless you know

2486
01:57:17,729 --> 01:57:16,630
about something so as soon as you know

2487
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:17,739
about something then it goes in your

2488
01:57:21,060 --> 01:57:19,450
past test but if someone else doesn't

2489
01:57:23,220 --> 01:57:21,070
know about it it's still in their

2490
01:57:26,430 --> 01:57:23,230
present tense so it's like if I asked

2491
01:57:30,900 --> 01:57:26,440
you who won the Detroit Detroit Tigers

2492
01:57:33,090 --> 01:57:30,910
game you you might say or I could say

2493
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:33,100
who will win and you would understand

2494
01:57:37,590 --> 01:57:34,690
that even though half an hour ago you

2495
01:57:40,590 --> 01:57:37,600
figured out that the Detroit Tigers won

2496
01:57:42,030 --> 01:57:40,600
you'd say the Detroit Tigers won and I

2497
01:57:44,670 --> 01:57:42,040
said no I'm so excited that they'll win

2498
01:57:47,940 --> 01:57:44,680
and then okay now I know okay now they

2499
01:57:50,430 --> 01:57:47,950
won so there's cultures in which it's

2500
01:57:52,020 --> 01:57:50,440
the knowledge of the individual

2501
01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:52,030
knowledge of an event that puts it into

2502
01:57:57,030 --> 01:57:54,130
the past not some sort of group shared

2503
01:58:00,270 --> 01:57:57,040
idea yeah that's heavy

2504
01:58:04,140 --> 01:58:00,280
yeah that's heavy yeah okay yeah you

2505
01:58:06,330 --> 01:58:04,150
just made me think no that's that's a

2506
01:58:08,370 --> 01:58:06,340
really that's a really heavy way to look

2507
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:08,380
at it because it is exactly what the

2508
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:11,610
experience is or the experience that was

2509
01:58:15,490 --> 01:58:14,890
so let's take a quick break right here

2510
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:15,500
we've got a

2511
01:58:21,210 --> 01:58:17,930
that and then when we come back I'm

2512
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:21,220
going to talk about some historical some

2513
01:58:26,710 --> 01:58:24,410
historical events that I want to remind

2514
01:58:29,260 --> 01:58:26,720
everybody of when it comes to the

2515
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:29,270
possibility of time travel because it's

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been around for thousands of years this

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has faded black I'm here to be Church I

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this is fade to black

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radio network at K GRA the global radio

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02:03:39,589 --> 02:03:37,729
welcome back fade to black I'm here your

2626
02:03:43,609 --> 02:03:39,599
host Jimmy Church your time-traveling

2627
02:03:46,520 --> 02:03:43,619
host our guest tonight Julia mas Burrage

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02:03:49,010 --> 02:03:46,530
PhD we're talking about her new book

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that she wrote with a Teresa Chung I'm

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holding it up to the cameras right here

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02:03:56,780 --> 02:03:53,550
it's a the premonition code the book is

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is phenomenal and time travel Julia I

2633
02:04:01,280 --> 02:03:58,530
discussed on the show all the time going

2634
02:04:03,950 --> 02:04:01,290
back to the very first broadcast of the

2635
02:04:08,930 --> 02:04:03,960
show it was one of my interest over the

2636
02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:08,940
years and I I look back to different

2637
02:04:14,629 --> 02:04:12,090
historical situations every culture

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02:04:21,140 --> 02:04:14,639
whether it was ancient India ancient

2639
02:04:26,810 --> 02:04:21,150
Japan Greece Rome Egypt of course all

2640
02:04:28,700 --> 02:04:26,820
had their own time travelers and they it

2641
02:04:30,859 --> 02:04:28,710
was part of for them not only their

2642
02:04:34,520 --> 02:04:30,869
ancient writings but part of the

2643
02:04:36,589 --> 02:04:34,530
historical record and I have always

2644
02:04:40,129 --> 02:04:36,599
asked the question were these genuine

2645
02:04:43,359 --> 02:04:40,139
time travelers or was it their interest

2646
02:04:46,790 --> 02:04:43,369
in time travel and and if you go back to

2647
02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:46,800
the way that cultures were thinking

2648
02:04:52,209 --> 02:04:50,130
5,000 years ago 4000 years ago I don't

2649
02:04:55,580 --> 02:04:52,219
know if science fiction came into play

2650
02:04:58,550 --> 02:04:55,590
you know and to talk about time travel

2651
02:05:01,280 --> 02:04:58,560
and time machines and the ability to to

2652
02:05:03,500 --> 02:05:01,290
do this was it just because there was

2653
02:05:06,740 --> 02:05:03,510
always this fascination with time travel

2654
02:05:09,950 --> 02:05:06,750
or that time travelers were actually

2655
02:05:13,089 --> 02:05:09,960
part of what was going on and and they

2656
02:05:16,430 --> 02:05:13,099
just wrote about it what do you think

2657
02:05:19,339 --> 02:05:16,440
well you know a time travel I used to

2658
02:05:21,200 --> 02:05:19,349
think as a kid the best way to for

2659
02:05:23,209 --> 02:05:21,210
science to proceed is to not do any

2660
02:05:24,709 --> 02:05:23,219
science except for try to solve time

2661
02:05:26,180 --> 02:05:24,719
travel because once you solve time

2662
02:05:28,580 --> 02:05:26,190
travel you can do all the other stuff

2663
02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:28,590
you missed right like you can go back

2664
02:05:31,399 --> 02:05:30,090
and care all the people of cancer once

2665
02:05:33,050 --> 02:05:31,409
you figure out cancer and stuff like

2666
02:05:34,729 --> 02:05:33,060
that so it basically solves all the

2667
02:05:37,550 --> 02:05:34,739
other problems by basically giving you

2668
02:05:39,770 --> 02:05:37,560
more time so it seems to me that

2669
02:05:41,720 --> 02:05:39,780
eventually we'll figure that out and if

2670
02:05:44,359 --> 02:05:41,730
we do there's no reason to believe we

2671
02:05:45,479 --> 02:05:44,369
won't have traveled back to whatever

2672
02:05:48,089 --> 02:05:45,489
time it's

2673
02:05:51,270 --> 02:05:48,099
that there aren't limits on that now

2674
02:05:54,810 --> 02:05:51,280
what is yeah what about some of the more

2675
02:06:00,180 --> 02:05:54,820
modern versions of time travelers like

2676
02:06:03,629 --> 02:06:00,190
John Titor for instance John Titor you'd

2677
02:06:07,770 --> 02:06:03,639
have to remind me who that is okay we

2678
02:06:13,370 --> 02:06:07,780
don't that's a whole nother show okay

2679
02:06:18,569 --> 02:06:13,380
John Titor started posting he's surfaced

2680
02:06:23,489 --> 02:06:18,579
in in 2000 2001 and claimed to be from

2681
02:06:26,910 --> 02:06:23,499
the Year 2036 and that he had he was

2682
02:06:32,029 --> 02:06:26,920
posting on some bulletin boards and some

2683
02:06:35,100 --> 02:06:32,039
forms and posted photographs he posted

2684
02:06:37,399 --> 02:06:35,110
the manual for his time machine he

2685
02:06:42,180 --> 02:06:37,409
posted a picture of his time machine and

2686
02:06:44,850 --> 02:06:42,190
explained how he did it very very

2687
02:06:48,359 --> 02:06:44,860
technical in nature he said that he had

2688
02:06:54,569 --> 02:06:48,369
traveled back to 1975 to get this IBM

2689
02:06:57,270 --> 02:06:54,579
computer that they needed in 2036 to fix

2690
02:07:01,470 --> 02:06:57,280
the computer issues that they had then

2691
02:07:04,950 --> 02:07:01,480
in 2036 because they went through a

2692
02:07:07,140 --> 02:07:04,960
nuclear war Society had changed like

2693
02:07:09,629 --> 02:07:07,150
2000 two-thirds of the world's

2694
02:07:11,850 --> 02:07:09,639
population had died it was a different

2695
02:07:14,339 --> 02:07:11,860
world then but he but they had figured

2696
02:07:18,870 --> 02:07:14,349
out time travel so he had to go back to

2697
02:07:22,439 --> 02:07:18,880
1975 he stopped by the year 2000 for

2698
02:07:26,899 --> 02:07:22,449
personal reasons and one to visit his

2699
02:07:30,200 --> 02:07:26,909
family see himself who was a youngster

2700
02:07:33,209 --> 02:07:30,210
and when he met himself he was

2701
02:07:37,200 --> 02:07:33,219
introduced to his younger self as his

2702
02:07:40,770 --> 02:07:37,210
uncle right and and so he stopped by

2703
02:07:43,739 --> 02:07:40,780
just to let everybody know what was

2704
02:07:47,850 --> 02:07:43,749
going on and anybody could ask questions

2705
02:07:51,560 --> 02:07:47,860
and so he hung out for a few months in

2706
02:07:54,779 --> 02:07:51,570
2000 and it was riveting Julia riveting

2707
02:07:56,759 --> 02:07:54,789
and the crazy thing is he said okay well

2708
02:07:57,959 --> 02:07:56,769
you know what this is like my last post

2709
02:08:03,500 --> 02:07:57,969
I got to go

2710
02:08:07,919 --> 02:08:03,510
know I'll see you guys later and then

2711
02:08:11,609 --> 02:08:07,929
gone never posted again he left us with

2712
02:08:16,549 --> 02:08:11,619
these photographs with these technical

2713
02:08:20,160 --> 02:08:16,559
manuals and and other things that were

2714
02:08:24,270 --> 02:08:20,170
very direct but we have those but he's

2715
02:08:26,160 --> 02:08:24,280
gone and he hasn't come back and and the

2716
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:26,170
other day other crazy part about John

2717
02:08:30,469 --> 02:08:29,530
Peter is that if it was some elaborate

2718
02:08:34,500 --> 02:08:30,479
hoax

2719
02:08:37,229 --> 02:08:34,510
nobody's been busted it's one of the

2720
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:37,239
most fascinating stories out there so

2721
02:08:44,279 --> 02:08:39,280
yeah there you go there's your homework

2722
02:08:46,259 --> 02:08:44,289
tonight okay yeah I feel yeah I feel bad

2723
02:08:48,750 --> 02:08:46,269
for you because the next couple of weeks

2724
02:08:51,810 --> 02:08:48,760
you're going down the John Titor rabbit

2725
02:08:53,279 --> 02:08:51,820
hole well and it looks to me like he's

2726
02:08:56,219 --> 02:08:53,289
made some predictions that were

2727
02:08:58,140 --> 02:08:56,229
incorrect and you know you could argue

2728
02:09:01,290 --> 02:08:58,150
either way on that you could argue well

2729
02:09:02,939 --> 02:09:01,300
so that shows that he's bogus or you

2730
02:09:04,770 --> 02:09:02,949
could argue well that shows that when

2731
02:09:07,140 --> 02:09:04,780
you start to mess with time it changes

2732
02:09:10,640 --> 02:09:07,150
what happens right so there's no way to

2733
02:09:15,899 --> 02:09:10,650
really test it so I guess my thought is

2734
02:09:17,399 --> 02:09:15,909
you know he's what he's either a person

2735
02:09:19,049 --> 02:09:17,409
who was a lot of attention or he's

2736
02:09:20,520 --> 02:09:19,059
delusional or he's a person who's

2737
02:09:21,689 --> 02:09:20,530
actually a time traveler and so those

2738
02:09:24,089 --> 02:09:21,699
are sort of the three possibilities

2739
02:09:28,290 --> 02:09:24,099
right well no you're you're you're

2740
02:09:32,459 --> 02:09:28,300
barely at the surface oh you have no

2741
02:09:40,709 --> 02:09:32,469
idea no idea see the thing is about John

2742
02:09:44,160 --> 02:09:40,719
Titor is the the stuff that he discussed

2743
02:09:46,109 --> 02:09:44,170
which was hardcore physics quantum

2744
02:09:48,600 --> 02:09:46,119
theory quantum mechanics of course

2745
02:09:50,759 --> 02:09:48,610
gravity and time travel and those

2746
02:09:53,189 --> 02:09:50,769
complications and how they solved it

2747
02:09:55,620 --> 02:09:53,199
it's all there but then you get into the

2748
02:09:58,680 --> 02:09:55,630
computer aspects of it and the knowledge

2749
02:10:02,790 --> 02:09:58,690
of the computer world and going back to

2750
02:10:05,430 --> 02:10:02,800
this 1975 computers IBM 5100 there's

2751
02:10:08,069 --> 02:10:05,440
that part of it then you have the

2752
02:10:09,700 --> 02:10:08,079
model-making somehow this time machine

2753
02:10:15,940 --> 02:10:09,710
the photographs are there

2754
02:10:18,490 --> 02:10:15,950
that was built and the the graphics the

2755
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:18,500
design and all of that then you have the

2756
02:10:23,050 --> 02:10:20,810
design of the manuals and the technical

2757
02:10:25,510 --> 02:10:23,060
writing that is involved there and

2758
02:10:27,130 --> 02:10:25,520
everything else that comes into play it

2759
02:10:30,280 --> 02:10:27,140
wasn't just one person we're talking

2760
02:10:32,950 --> 02:10:30,290
about a team of people to get all of

2761
02:10:35,140 --> 02:10:32,960
this stuff done and the hoax pulled off

2762
02:10:38,350 --> 02:10:35,150
nobody's been busted nobody's come

2763
02:10:39,459 --> 02:10:38,360
forward where is the time machine let's

2764
02:10:42,820 --> 02:10:39,469
say it was a hoax

2765
02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:42,830
well somebody would have surfaced by now

2766
02:10:47,260 --> 02:10:45,170
going here's the time machine this is

2767
02:10:49,420 --> 02:10:47,270
how we did it we built it like this we

2768
02:10:51,190 --> 02:10:49,430
did the graphics here this is how we

2769
02:10:52,870 --> 02:10:51,200
took the photographs this is how we did

2770
02:10:54,610 --> 02:10:52,880
the laser stuff that we did this and

2771
02:10:56,770 --> 02:10:54,620
this is how we did the science is that

2772
02:10:58,420 --> 02:10:56,780
we did the physics of it but not

2773
02:11:04,240 --> 02:10:58,430
nobody's been caught

2774
02:11:08,709 --> 02:11:04,250
was a hoax it wouldn't have been one

2775
02:11:10,810 --> 02:11:08,719
person let's say let's say it's real I

2776
02:11:12,100 --> 02:11:10,820
mean I'm I'm I don't know anything about

2777
02:11:15,700 --> 02:11:12,110
this so I'm just shooting from the hip

2778
02:11:19,300 --> 02:11:15,710
but let's say it's real we need to think

2779
02:11:21,910 --> 02:11:19,310
about what are the motivations about him

2780
02:11:23,709 --> 02:11:21,920
revealing his status because I'm sure if

2781
02:11:27,459 --> 02:11:23,719
we get time travel down for physical

2782
02:11:28,990 --> 02:11:27,469
time travel people will have traveled

2783
02:11:32,590 --> 02:11:29,000
here who haven't revealed their status

2784
02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:32,600
so what is it I feel like it's important

2785
02:11:38,380 --> 02:11:35,450
for us to understand if this is a real

2786
02:11:40,390 --> 02:11:38,390
time traveler right why this particular

2787
02:11:44,709 --> 02:11:40,400
trying traveler needed to reveal his

2788
02:11:46,870 --> 02:11:44,719
status and what that tells us about what

2789
02:11:50,200 --> 02:11:46,880
was going on there is that like a trial

2790
02:11:53,530 --> 02:11:50,210
balloon right totally totally and so one

2791
02:11:56,050 --> 02:11:53,540
of the and I I suggest this to anybody

2792
02:12:00,220 --> 02:11:56,060
when they go in it's like John Titor 101

2793
02:12:04,900 --> 02:12:00,230
the first thing that you have to do to

2794
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:04,910
take it all in is look at his post so go

2795
02:12:10,240 --> 02:12:07,370
back to the original post hello it's me

2796
02:12:11,709 --> 02:12:10,250
I'm here I'm a time traveler ask me any

2797
02:12:13,540 --> 02:12:11,719
question you want you know go back to

2798
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:13,550
that first post and go through all of

2799
02:12:18,520 --> 02:12:16,010
the threads and go through each one and

2800
02:12:21,880 --> 02:12:18,530
see how he interacted with everybody and

2801
02:12:22,549 --> 02:12:21,890
answered their questions he dealt with

2802
02:12:28,099 --> 02:12:22,559
paradigm

2803
02:12:30,290 --> 02:12:28,109
says he dealt with not only the

2804
02:12:33,319 --> 02:12:30,300
possibility of his predictions being

2805
02:12:36,109 --> 02:12:33,329
wrong or right but how we dealt with it

2806
02:12:38,709 --> 02:12:36,119
with alternative timelines there's that

2807
02:12:43,099 --> 02:12:38,719
part of it and then the other thing that

2808
02:12:46,189 --> 02:12:43,109
and all of this is in his post when he

2809
02:12:48,919 --> 02:12:46,199
the you know he's got a time machine so

2810
02:12:51,379 --> 02:12:48,929
if you go and and he talked about

2811
02:12:54,109 --> 02:12:51,389
physically what happens you know when he

2812
02:12:58,819 --> 02:12:54,119
time travels all of the stuff that he

2813
02:13:01,639 --> 02:12:58,829
dealt with with with gravity and and the

2814
02:13:03,529 --> 02:13:01,649
positioning and how you ended up and

2815
02:13:05,089 --> 02:13:03,539
terra firma and not in the middle of the

2816
02:13:07,069 --> 02:13:05,099
ocean or out in the middle of space

2817
02:13:11,389 --> 02:13:07,079
floating around right because the earth

2818
02:13:14,329 --> 02:13:11,399
is moving and so he talked about that

2819
02:13:16,879 --> 02:13:14,339
science of it in a way that nobody had

2820
02:13:19,839 --> 02:13:16,889
dealt with time machines or time travel

2821
02:13:23,719 --> 02:13:19,849
in the past and it was in such a direct

2822
02:13:26,989 --> 02:13:23,729
manner that it forced everybody to step

2823
02:13:29,239 --> 02:13:26,999
back and go well man this this has got

2824
02:13:31,790 --> 02:13:29,249
to be real because it had never been

2825
02:13:35,869 --> 02:13:31,800
discussed before it's a very interesting

2826
02:13:39,229 --> 02:13:35,879
situation now again he's never been

2827
02:13:41,750 --> 02:13:39,239
busted right nobody has been able to

2828
02:13:44,239 --> 02:13:41,760
figure this out some think that they

2829
02:13:46,879 --> 02:13:44,249
have but it's it's none of it is

2830
02:13:50,599 --> 02:13:46,889
concrete it's very interesting it's it's

2831
02:13:53,379 --> 02:13:50,609
it's one of the crazy and for you not

2832
02:13:56,839 --> 02:13:53,389
knowing about John Titor which I find

2833
02:13:59,239 --> 02:13:56,849
really interesting is that you're gonna

2834
02:14:02,089 --> 02:13:59,249
go and and check this out and look into

2835
02:14:04,549 --> 02:14:02,099
it you're educated you're you're

2836
02:14:07,279 --> 02:14:04,559
professional and you're gonna come to

2837
02:14:08,869 --> 02:14:07,289
your own conclusions too so I can't wait

2838
02:14:11,239 --> 02:14:08,879
to talk to you in the future about John

2839
02:14:13,639 --> 02:14:11,249
Titor cool all right

2840
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:13,649
well so I will check it out but I think

2841
02:14:20,149 --> 02:14:17,010
that what's it's intriguing to think

2842
02:14:22,609 --> 02:14:20,159
about sort of the motivations behind

2843
02:14:25,399 --> 02:14:22,619
things and so one could imagine if

2844
02:14:27,529 --> 02:14:25,409
there's some kind of if we figure out

2845
02:14:30,109 --> 02:14:27,539
physical time travel that includes sort

2846
02:14:32,299 --> 02:14:30,119
of containing your emotions your

2847
02:14:35,809 --> 02:14:32,309
consciousness your memories basically

2848
02:14:36,860 --> 02:14:35,819
taking you physically back in time that

2849
02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:36,870
there will be people who

2850
02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:41,850
come back for egoic reasons and people

2851
02:14:46,820 --> 02:14:44,970
who come back for utilitarian reasons

2852
02:14:49,310 --> 02:14:46,830
and people that come back for sort of

2853
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:49,320
self-transcendent reasons and so all

2854
02:14:52,280 --> 02:14:50,970
just like there's people who do all

2855
02:14:56,420 --> 02:14:52,290
sorts of different things for different

2856
02:14:59,870 --> 02:14:56,430
motivations now and so I'm just curious

2857
02:15:03,650 --> 02:14:59,880
about what are the motivations to reveal

2858
02:15:06,290 --> 02:15:03,660
your status as a time traveler are you

2859
02:15:08,150 --> 02:15:06,300
how is that an egoic sort of I know more

2860
02:15:10,460 --> 02:15:08,160
than you do kind of thing or are there

2861
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:10,470
actual yeah I think it's really

2862
02:15:14,570 --> 02:15:12,330
important to think about that well and

2863
02:15:16,190 --> 02:15:14,580
it's a you brought this up at the

2864
02:15:20,660 --> 02:15:16,200
beginning of a show if you are a time

2865
02:15:24,620 --> 02:15:20,670
traveler do you want to reveal who you

2866
02:15:28,610 --> 02:15:24,630
are look if you being who you are today

2867
02:15:31,940 --> 02:15:28,620
and you went back to Jerusalem to the

2868
02:15:35,030 --> 02:15:31,950
crucifixion you're gonna stand out right

2869
02:15:38,150 --> 02:15:35,040
and yeah and that's it you've got to

2870
02:15:40,160 --> 02:15:38,160
figure out a way not to not to blend in

2871
02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:40,170
with society but not to be seen at all

2872
02:15:45,230 --> 02:15:42,330
whatsoever you don't want to blend in

2873
02:15:48,170 --> 02:15:45,240
you don't want to be seen at all right

2874
02:15:52,580 --> 02:15:48,180
that's it that you your life would end

2875
02:15:58,010 --> 02:15:52,590
at that point but the today there was a

2876
02:16:01,550 --> 02:15:58,020
couple of well I'll just get specific

2877
02:16:06,020 --> 02:16:01,560
the Rendlesham forest UFO incident that

2878
02:16:12,980 --> 02:16:06,030
happened in the early 80s 1980 that

2879
02:16:16,310 --> 02:16:12,990
incident was classified as a UFO landing

2880
02:16:17,540 --> 02:16:16,320
and the the government did there you

2881
02:16:19,400 --> 02:16:17,550
know the reports are there the

2882
02:16:21,440 --> 02:16:19,410
eyewitnesses are there we know when and

2883
02:16:25,490 --> 02:16:21,450
where it happened that's all documented

2884
02:16:27,200 --> 02:16:25,500
but Jim Penniston said that when he went

2885
02:16:30,380 --> 02:16:27,210
up and touched the craft that he got a

2886
02:16:34,820 --> 02:16:30,390
download and that information that hit

2887
02:16:37,910 --> 02:16:34,830
him was that they told him that they

2888
02:16:40,879 --> 02:16:37,920
weren't alien they weren't ETS but they

2889
02:16:43,070 --> 02:16:40,889
were us from the future did you know

2890
02:16:46,010 --> 02:16:43,080
that I talked with Jeff creep all who

2891
02:16:47,360 --> 02:16:46,020
are crippled Weibull who right yeah who

2892
02:16:48,830 --> 02:16:47,370
studies this stuff and I was at a

2893
02:16:50,719 --> 02:16:48,840
conference where he was and we were

2894
02:16:52,189 --> 02:16:50,729
talking about this and I said

2895
02:16:54,259 --> 02:16:52,199
I was so proud of myself I said oh I

2896
02:16:55,849 --> 02:16:54,269
have this theory that you know ETS are

2897
02:16:57,290 --> 02:16:55,859
us from the future and he said he looked

2898
02:16:59,179 --> 02:16:57,300
at me and he said you know that's the

2899
02:17:02,899 --> 02:16:59,189
number one most mundane explanation I

2900
02:17:04,700 --> 02:17:02,909
hear yeah it was all excited about that

2901
02:17:06,139 --> 02:17:04,710
theory and he's like yeah a lot of

2902
02:17:08,089 --> 02:17:06,149
people think that that's pretty common

2903
02:17:09,889 --> 02:17:08,099
which is interesting that that's

2904
02:17:12,700 --> 02:17:09,899
occurring to a lot of people doesn't

2905
02:17:15,709 --> 02:17:12,710
mean it's right it's just interesting

2906
02:17:16,939 --> 02:17:15,719
it's I think that is a totally

2907
02:17:20,660 --> 02:17:16,949
reasonable explanation of that

2908
02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:20,670
phenomenon well it resolves the the

2909
02:17:27,439 --> 02:17:24,090
distance and and time aspect of

2910
02:17:30,919 --> 02:17:27,449
traveling to or in between the stars

2911
02:17:33,679 --> 02:17:30,929
that it you know the the ETS that we see

2912
02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:33,689
today are us and they're from here so

2913
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:36,090
that resolves these vast distances of

2914
02:17:43,219 --> 02:17:39,210
space right and and I could I could

2915
02:17:47,629 --> 02:17:43,229
understand that I I really can but if if

2916
02:17:51,229 --> 02:17:47,639
we are like you in the Hot Tub Time

2917
02:17:53,479 --> 02:17:51,239
Machine they're up at noetic that's an

2918
02:17:56,179 --> 02:17:53,489
example of something that's happening

2919
02:17:57,830 --> 02:17:56,189
were quite possibly they weren't

2920
02:18:00,109 --> 02:17:57,840
traveling vast distances they were

2921
02:18:02,929 --> 02:18:00,119
actually here and they showed you at

2922
02:18:05,419 --> 02:18:02,939
that moment and it resolves all of these

2923
02:18:06,290 --> 02:18:05,429
complex questions well it sounded also

2924
02:18:08,929 --> 02:18:06,300
like they were listening to our

2925
02:18:10,040 --> 02:18:08,939
conversations like they're listening to

2926
02:18:11,629 --> 02:18:10,050
us talk about what wait how would you

2927
02:18:13,309 --> 02:18:11,639
come back well probably isn't alien well

2928
02:18:16,069 --> 02:18:13,319
you know I feel like something's gonna

2929
02:18:18,559 --> 02:18:16,079
happen well boom so yeah it does exactly

2930
02:18:20,859 --> 02:18:18,569
it there's this also idea of I was

2931
02:18:23,089 --> 02:18:20,869
talking with folks today you know

2932
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:23,099
mathematicians and physicists are some

2933
02:18:27,589 --> 02:18:25,050
of them are fond of creating other

2934
02:18:29,089 --> 02:18:27,599
dimensions or thinking about the

2935
02:18:30,379 --> 02:18:29,099
necessity of having other dimensions

2936
02:18:33,799 --> 02:18:30,389
beyond the three of space and one of

2937
02:18:35,719 --> 02:18:33,809
time and certainly you could also tell

2938
02:18:38,660 --> 02:18:35,729
the story and this might be an

2939
02:18:43,459 --> 02:18:38,670
equivalent story that that ETS are extra

2940
02:18:45,109 --> 02:18:43,469
dimensional beings and maybe that's the

2941
02:18:46,519 --> 02:18:45,119
same thing as saying it's us time

2942
02:18:48,529 --> 02:18:46,529
traveling from the future maybe we use

2943
02:18:50,089 --> 02:18:48,539
extra dimensions to do that so I I think

2944
02:18:52,729 --> 02:18:50,099
a lot of these concepts could come

2945
02:18:54,589 --> 02:18:52,739
together and become less complicated if

2946
02:18:56,059 --> 02:18:54,599
we could work it out a lot of this I

2947
02:18:57,379 --> 02:18:56,069
mean I just want to say this is all

2948
02:18:58,429 --> 02:18:57,389
really speculative that what we're

2949
02:19:00,410 --> 02:18:58,439
talking about but it's all really

2950
02:19:02,479 --> 02:19:00,420
intriguing and eventually at some point

2951
02:19:04,669 --> 02:19:02,489
we may be able to do empirical tests to

2952
02:19:06,620 --> 02:19:04,679
find out if this stuff is happening in

2953
02:19:09,169 --> 02:19:06,630
now that's just not the case what and

2954
02:19:12,169 --> 02:19:09,179
what about the big questions and which

2955
02:19:17,679 --> 02:19:12,179
is you know the military aspect and the

2956
02:19:19,969 --> 02:19:17,689
agency aspect DARPA - as well in Sandia

2957
02:19:23,839 --> 02:19:19,979
do you think that the military and the

2958
02:19:27,080 --> 02:19:23,849
Pentagon has developed a method of time

2959
02:19:28,969 --> 02:19:27,090
travel and certainly Precog and

2960
02:19:33,500 --> 02:19:28,979
premonition and remote viewing comes

2961
02:19:36,110 --> 02:19:33,510
into play - as well yeah I mean so sorry

2962
02:19:39,019 --> 02:19:36,120
I want to unpack I want to unpack your

2963
02:19:42,169 --> 02:19:39,029
question because sort of part of the

2964
02:19:44,599 --> 02:19:42,179
question is what's going on now in those

2965
02:19:47,629 --> 02:19:44,609
agencies is a compass it relates to

2966
02:19:50,450 --> 02:19:47,639
Precog and telepathy and using all sorts

2967
02:19:52,370 --> 02:19:50,460
of ways to gather information absolutely

2968
02:19:54,260 --> 02:19:52,380
and then the other is sort of what what

2969
02:19:55,849 --> 02:19:54,270
are the motors the potential I mean I

2970
02:19:57,050 --> 02:19:55,859
sort of read that between the lines but

2971
02:20:01,880 --> 02:19:57,060
I think you're also asking that right

2972
02:20:03,290 --> 02:20:01,890
sure yeah so so in terms of what's

2973
02:20:05,300 --> 02:20:03,300
happening now I don't have any kind of

2974
02:20:09,110 --> 02:20:05,310
top secret or classified clearance so I

2975
02:20:11,450 --> 02:20:09,120
have no idea but I you don't have some

2976
02:20:13,280 --> 02:20:11,460
friends in the military who would not

2977
02:20:15,530 --> 02:20:13,290
share anything with me if something was

2978
02:20:17,929 --> 02:20:15,540
going on but it is fairly clear to me

2979
02:20:19,639 --> 02:20:17,939
that there's a lot of interest at

2980
02:20:22,660 --> 02:20:19,649
different levels of the military Dean

2981
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:22,670
Radin and I talk about this a lot that

2982
02:20:26,780 --> 02:20:25,050
we we get requests from different levels

2983
02:20:30,860 --> 02:20:26,790
of the military to talk about various

2984
02:20:32,689 --> 02:20:30,870
things and it's definitely the case that

2985
02:20:35,179 --> 02:20:32,699
there's interest it's also probably the

2986
02:20:36,979 --> 02:20:35,189
case if the military works the way I

2987
02:20:38,570 --> 02:20:36,989
think it does and if these these

2988
02:20:40,910 --> 02:20:38,580
organizations work the way I think they

2989
02:20:43,939 --> 02:20:40,920
do that there's multiple redundancies of

2990
02:20:46,880 --> 02:20:43,949
people looking into each of these right

2991
02:20:49,429 --> 02:20:46,890
now and and have been for probably

2992
02:20:51,530 --> 02:20:49,439
decades and we do know that in of course

2993
02:20:53,389 --> 02:20:51,540
I'm confident most of your listeners

2994
02:20:56,630 --> 02:20:53,399
know about the Stargate project sure

2995
02:21:01,700 --> 02:20:56,640
girl flame etc right that was going on

2996
02:21:03,650 --> 02:21:01,710
in the 80s and 90s and but there's no

2997
02:21:08,059 --> 02:21:03,660
reason to believe that's not been

2998
02:21:09,950 --> 02:21:08,069
advanced no it would be insane really to

2999
02:21:11,750 --> 02:21:09,960
not to not advance that in a way and

3000
02:21:14,599 --> 02:21:11,760
keep keep looking at it but just not as

3001
02:21:16,519 --> 02:21:14,609
publicly so it seems to me that makes a

3002
02:21:18,290 --> 02:21:16,529
lot of sense it would be a sane way to

3003
02:21:20,389 --> 02:21:18,300
spend money and would be an up area

3004
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:20,399
way to send money spend money to just

3005
02:21:26,450 --> 02:21:22,319
continue researching that and using and

3006
02:21:29,389 --> 02:21:26,460
operationally as appropriate and in

3007
02:21:32,590 --> 02:21:29,399
terms of the future I feel like when you

3008
02:21:37,309 --> 02:21:32,600
combine artificial intelligence with

3009
02:21:39,040 --> 02:21:37,319
these skills precognition telepathy mind

3010
02:21:41,990 --> 02:21:39,050
over matter

3011
02:21:44,389 --> 02:21:42,000
that is that would be the way of the

3012
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:44,399
future is collaborations between these

3013
02:21:50,110 --> 02:21:47,840
human skills of consciousness and

3014
02:21:52,730 --> 02:21:50,120
artificial intelligence that can guide

3015
02:21:55,250 --> 02:21:52,740
you know where the where the information

3016
02:21:56,660 --> 02:21:55,260
needs to go and how it can be best used

3017
02:21:59,179 --> 02:21:56,670
so I'm talking right now in the

3018
02:22:01,219 --> 02:21:59,189
best-case scenario where all those

3019
02:22:05,450 --> 02:22:01,229
organizations are working towards the

3020
02:22:07,429 --> 02:22:05,460
betterment of humankind and helping the

3021
02:22:12,710 --> 02:22:07,439
human race it's not of course the case

3022
02:22:14,570 --> 02:22:12,720
but it is the way I like to think in

3023
02:22:16,639 --> 02:22:14,580
terms of thinking when as a futurist I'd

3024
02:22:18,530 --> 02:22:16,649
like to think of the positive future so

3025
02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:18,540
I know that there are people in all of

3026
02:22:23,750 --> 02:22:21,600
those organizations and more who are are

3027
02:22:28,570 --> 02:22:23,760
really committed to creating a better

3028
02:22:33,620 --> 02:22:28,580
world and so that is that is a fact and

3029
02:22:37,190 --> 02:22:33,630
I think I heard you say that the

3030
02:22:39,740 --> 02:22:37,200
military has reached out to you and no

3031
02:22:43,460 --> 02:22:39,750
wedeck and asked questions did you say

3032
02:22:46,010 --> 02:22:43,470
that yeah yeah periodically different

3033
02:22:47,270 --> 02:22:46,020
different branches of the military so

3034
02:22:49,580 --> 02:22:47,280
for instance you know that there's the

3035
02:22:53,270 --> 02:22:49,590
Office of Naval Research which has this

3036
02:22:55,460 --> 02:22:53,280
intuition grants or fellowship program

3037
02:22:57,200 --> 02:22:55,470
out multi-million dollar deal where

3038
02:22:59,870 --> 02:22:57,210
they're trying to understand centrally

3039
02:23:03,320 --> 02:22:59,880
spidey-sense they know that certain

3040
02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:03,330
people survive in the military because

3041
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:05,130
of what they call spidey sense which is

3042
02:23:09,679 --> 02:23:07,290
a really really intuition and to try to

3043
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:09,689
understand that so I've talked to

3044
02:23:14,870 --> 02:23:12,240
several people about that but you know

3045
02:23:16,490 --> 02:23:14,880
and certainly that happens a lot more to

3046
02:23:19,610 --> 02:23:16,500
Dean because he's more well-known in

3047
02:23:25,790 --> 02:23:19,620
sort of the general field of anomalous

3048
02:23:30,320 --> 02:23:25,800
cognition and anomalous events so we we

3049
02:23:32,030 --> 02:23:30,330
both of us you know we kind of assumed

3050
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:32,040
that the military should be interested

3051
02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:32,250
in the

3052
02:23:39,350 --> 02:23:35,930
some programs that maybe aren't public

3053
02:23:41,510 --> 02:23:39,360
and sort of wonder if they're not

3054
02:23:45,440 --> 02:23:41,520
interested that would be crazy

3055
02:23:46,930 --> 02:23:45,450
and we also know a lot of really good

3056
02:23:50,090 --> 02:23:46,940
people in the military who are

3057
02:23:54,440 --> 02:23:50,100
constantly asking questions and seem

3058
02:23:57,110 --> 02:23:54,450
like they are interested in or pursuing

3059
02:24:00,350 --> 02:23:57,120
this it seems like you're dancing just a

3060
02:24:02,720 --> 02:24:00,360
little bit right it seems like you're

3061
02:24:10,730 --> 02:24:02,730
dancing and and when you start to dance

3062
02:24:13,150 --> 02:24:10,740
that's where I go for it so they have to

3063
02:24:16,610 --> 02:24:13,160
be interested and you brought up one

3064
02:24:21,070 --> 02:24:16,620
point that is the obvious reasons it's

3065
02:24:23,690 --> 02:24:21,080
much cheaper you know you don't have to

3066
02:24:26,240 --> 02:24:23,700
invest in the hardware if you have a

3067
02:24:28,490 --> 02:24:26,250
human and their mind and that's where

3068
02:24:30,830 --> 02:24:28,500
the cost is you don't have to send

3069
02:24:32,900 --> 02:24:30,840
anybody overseas to look at a military

3070
02:24:35,840 --> 02:24:32,910
base if you can have somebody remote

3071
02:24:37,370 --> 02:24:35,850
view that has Precog abilities here that

3072
02:24:41,930 --> 02:24:37,380
can tell you what's going on you don't

3073
02:24:43,190 --> 02:24:41,940
have to send assets into danger to go

3074
02:24:44,990 --> 02:24:43,200
and look at this if you could do

3075
02:24:48,200 --> 02:24:45,000
everything right here or if you can

3076
02:24:50,450 --> 02:24:48,210
predict what is going to happen with

3077
02:24:54,890 --> 02:24:50,460
somebody's government or military and

3078
02:24:58,100 --> 02:24:54,900
you can do that here and not involve the

3079
02:25:00,290 --> 02:24:58,110
expense and and and and putting lives in

3080
02:25:01,910 --> 02:25:00,300
danger well right I mean it's like the

3081
02:25:04,550 --> 02:25:01,920
obvious thing to the extent that it

3082
02:25:07,310 --> 02:25:04,560
works sure it's really useful but the

3083
02:25:09,760 --> 02:25:07,320
thing is what you know it's it's kind of

3084
02:25:12,260 --> 02:25:09,770
not that cut-and-dried it's more like

3085
02:25:14,150 --> 02:25:12,270
it's more like developing another source

3086
02:25:16,010 --> 02:25:14,160
of information it's like we can launch a

3087
02:25:17,450 --> 02:25:16,020
satellite and get some information but

3088
02:25:18,860 --> 02:25:17,460
then we have human intelligence we get

3089
02:25:20,300 --> 02:25:18,870
more information well then we can also

3090
02:25:21,680 --> 02:25:20,310
use precognition then we get more

3091
02:25:23,060 --> 02:25:21,690
information but you don't want to just

3092
02:25:27,050 --> 02:25:23,070
go on precognition because it's too

3093
02:25:30,110 --> 02:25:27,060
fuzzy but they are they you are

3094
02:25:32,540 --> 02:25:30,120
confirming with us that they do have

3095
02:25:35,210 --> 02:25:32,550
programs in place that are dealing with

3096
02:25:37,970 --> 02:25:35,220
premonition precognition telekinesis and

3097
02:25:40,400 --> 02:25:37,980
remote viewing no no no I'm not gonna go

3098
02:25:42,440 --> 02:25:40,410
that far I am confirming that it makes

3099
02:25:45,590 --> 02:25:42,450
total sense and I have deep suspicions

3100
02:25:54,150 --> 02:25:52,980
well played now okay we are in danger of

3101
02:25:56,550 --> 02:25:54,160
running out of time

3102
02:26:01,890 --> 02:25:56,560
can I can I keep you for another 10

3103
02:26:04,950 --> 02:26:01,900
minutes because I want to talk about the

3104
02:26:07,050 --> 02:26:04,960
Mandela effect and and we didn't get a

3105
02:26:09,450 --> 02:26:07,060
chance to get into it so let's set up

3106
02:26:12,810 --> 02:26:09,460
the Mandela affecting them when we come

3107
02:26:18,870 --> 02:26:12,820
back we'll get further into it but the

3108
02:26:21,360 --> 02:26:18,880
Mandela effect is either millions and

3109
02:26:22,770 --> 02:26:21,370
millions of people are schizophrenic and

3110
02:26:26,550 --> 02:26:22,780
they have lost their minds

3111
02:26:29,790 --> 02:26:26,560
or there is something going on here and

3112
02:26:32,190 --> 02:26:29,800
we are recognizing it what do you think

3113
02:26:35,910 --> 02:26:32,200
is happening with the Mandela effect oh

3114
02:26:37,980 --> 02:26:35,920
I think that is precognition so for

3115
02:26:41,670 --> 02:26:37,990
instance there's the 50 okay so the 51

3116
02:26:45,000 --> 02:26:41,680
to 52 states thing right so I've had

3117
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:45,010
that all my life right and I think it's

3118
02:26:47,970 --> 02:26:46,570
because in the future we I mean I've

3119
02:26:50,011 --> 02:26:47,980
always thought since I was a kid

3120
02:26:54,810 --> 02:26:50,021
what there's only 50 states no there's

3121
02:26:58,110 --> 02:26:54,820
52 and I still make that mistake and I

3122
02:26:59,670 --> 02:26:58,120
found out that it was common and so

3123
02:27:00,630 --> 02:26:59,680
that's that's an example of the Mandela

3124
02:27:02,400 --> 02:27:00,640
effect it's one of the most basic

3125
02:27:03,840 --> 02:27:02,410
examples and I think that's because in

3126
02:27:05,490 --> 02:27:03,850
the future there are so I think it's

3127
02:27:07,680 --> 02:27:05,500
just standard information that we're

3128
02:27:10,460 --> 02:27:07,690
getting for most of the history of the

3129
02:27:14,310 --> 02:27:10,470
United States there are 52 states

3130
02:27:17,730 --> 02:27:14,320
okay so let's take a break right here

3131
02:27:20,160 --> 02:27:17,740
now that's Mandela into the future and I

3132
02:27:22,830 --> 02:27:20,170
get that and so that's Precog and it's

3133
02:27:26,130 --> 02:27:22,840
confusing us today and it and it is

3134
02:27:27,870 --> 02:27:26,140
confusing you I get that and when we

3135
02:27:31,020 --> 02:27:27,880
come back we'll talk about the Mandela

3136
02:27:33,330 --> 02:27:31,030
effect with the past and well I don't

3137
02:27:37,261 --> 02:27:33,340
know I'll be honest with you Julia I

3138
02:27:39,210 --> 02:27:37,271
don't know if it's and we'll discuss all

3139
02:27:41,130 --> 02:27:39,220
of this I don't know if it's time

3140
02:27:43,890 --> 02:27:41,140
travelers coming back and that have

3141
02:27:47,700 --> 02:27:43,900
altered the past and have made mistakes

3142
02:27:51,200 --> 02:27:47,710
or if it is the blending of maybe two

3143
02:27:53,520 --> 02:27:51,210
alternative worlds and we're getting

3144
02:27:55,530 --> 02:27:53,530
overspray if you will but we'll discuss

3145
02:27:56,350 --> 02:27:55,540
all of that this is fade to black I'm

3146
02:27:59,560 --> 02:27:56,360
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3147
02:28:03,270 --> 02:27:59,570
I guess tonight dr. Julia Moss bridge

3148
02:28:19,649 --> 02:28:17,179
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dr. Julia Moss bridge we're talking

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about her book the premonition code

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there it is right there the links to it

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or over at Jimmy Church radio.com

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it's great book by the way and now I

3237
02:33:00,210 --> 02:32:57,040
want to jump into the might and the

3238
02:33:02,729 --> 02:33:00,220
Mandela effect and Julie I'll tell you

3239
02:33:07,320 --> 02:33:02,739
we did so many shows on this over the

3240
02:33:09,360 --> 02:33:07,330
last year or so and I am thoroughly

3241
02:33:13,439 --> 02:33:09,370
convinced something's going on because

3242
02:33:17,010 --> 02:33:13,449
of my own personal experiences that I

3243
02:33:18,809 --> 02:33:17,020
can't explain with myself when we talk

3244
02:33:20,969 --> 02:33:18,819
about the past of my memories and I know

3245
02:33:22,650 --> 02:33:20,979
that I partied a lot and I've done some

3246
02:33:26,910 --> 02:33:22,660
things in my life that I'm not that

3247
02:33:30,179 --> 02:33:26,920
proud of but I've had very very clear

3248
02:33:33,389 --> 02:33:30,189
distinct memories on things that turn

3249
02:33:34,530 --> 02:33:33,399
out that they weren't the way that I

3250
02:33:38,820 --> 02:33:34,540
remember them and they're very

3251
02:33:42,929 --> 02:33:38,830
significant and I can almost quiz you

3252
02:33:44,760 --> 02:33:42,939
right now on the Mandela fact and I'm

3253
02:33:47,820 --> 02:33:44,770
not even so sure that you'll pass the

3254
02:33:51,599 --> 02:33:47,830
quiz sure you there yeah I want to do it

3255
02:33:54,689 --> 02:33:51,609
well well okay

3256
02:33:58,800 --> 02:33:54,699
the monopoly man does he have a monocle

3257
02:34:01,849 --> 02:33:58,810
or not oh yeah right

3258
02:34:06,809 --> 02:34:01,859
yes or not yeah he does no he doesn't

3259
02:34:09,990 --> 02:34:06,819
okay yeah now the song we are the

3260
02:34:12,120 --> 02:34:10,000
champions by Queen you know the song

3261
02:34:15,870 --> 02:34:12,130
you've son it's your entire life

3262
02:34:18,469 --> 02:34:15,880
yeah right and and em during the song

3263
02:34:23,300 --> 02:34:18,479
and at the end where we are the

3264
02:34:26,090 --> 02:34:23,310
champions what's the next line my friend

3265
02:34:36,900 --> 02:34:26,100
and we'll keep on fighting til the end

3266
02:34:41,849 --> 02:34:36,910
there is none no I just reminded you of

3267
02:34:45,290 --> 02:34:41,859
that you've okay the stuff with the past

3268
02:34:48,330 --> 02:34:45,300
so the stuff with the right okay okay

3269
02:34:53,461 --> 02:34:48,340
it's right so how is this not just

3270
02:34:59,070 --> 02:34:53,471
crappy memory exactly exactly

3271
02:35:02,080 --> 02:34:59,080
it doesn't it doesn't but you know your

3272
02:35:04,870 --> 02:35:02,090
your memory your response was instant

3273
02:35:07,680 --> 02:35:04,880
you know like with the monocle I mean he

3274
02:35:10,751 --> 02:35:07,690
never had a monocle but for some reason

3275
02:35:13,001 --> 02:35:10,761
like this arca so to me that's more like

3276
02:35:16,631 --> 02:35:13,011
an archetype like you're blurring an

3277
02:35:18,160 --> 02:35:16,641
archetype sure like like the monocle the

3278
02:35:19,961 --> 02:35:18,170
rich guy with the monocle with the Hat

3279
02:35:21,610 --> 02:35:19,971
always goes with the monocle in my mind

3280
02:35:22,600 --> 02:35:21,620
so I'm gonna have a misremembered now I

3281
02:35:24,011 --> 02:35:22,610
understand there's this other

3282
02:35:25,501 --> 02:35:24,021
explanation which is an alternative

3283
02:35:27,850 --> 02:35:25,511
reality or some kind of reality shift

3284
02:35:30,610 --> 02:35:27,860
it's very difficult to prove but the

3285
02:35:32,980 --> 02:35:30,620
most simple explanation is crappy memory

3286
02:35:34,600 --> 02:35:32,990
that weaves in cultural and frankly

3287
02:35:37,360 --> 02:35:34,610
that's the best explanation for the 52

3288
02:35:38,620 --> 02:35:37,370
States to write although still of course

3289
02:35:41,381 --> 02:35:38,630
because I have my bias towards

3290
02:35:45,961 --> 02:35:41,391
precondition I think it's that I feel

3291
02:35:49,511 --> 02:35:45,971
like I feel like what's exciting is to

3292
02:35:51,251 --> 02:35:49,521
understand what's really going on but we

3293
02:35:53,820 --> 02:35:51,261
don't know what's really going on so we

3294
02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:53,830
have all these different explanations

3295
02:35:58,291 --> 02:35:56,090
Sex in the City

3296
02:36:05,801 --> 02:35:58,301
how many times did you watch that show

3297
02:36:06,881 --> 02:36:05,811
zero zero yeah what's it called isn't it

3298
02:36:10,150 --> 02:36:06,891
called Sex in the City

3299
02:36:15,990 --> 02:36:10,160
nope and there's another example and

3300
02:36:21,671 --> 02:36:16,000
it's see the thing is Sex and the City

3301
02:36:23,560 --> 02:36:21,681
let's say see all I'm saying is when you

3302
02:36:27,610 --> 02:36:23,570
start to look at all of these examples

3303
02:36:31,690 --> 02:36:27,620
we're talking about it's so everybody's

3304
02:36:34,751 --> 02:36:31,700
memory is just wrong right that's it's

3305
02:36:39,541 --> 02:36:34,761
it's it's something that I I look at

3306
02:36:44,280 --> 02:36:39,551
this when we look at such cultural

3307
02:36:46,900 --> 02:36:44,290
iconic moments you know like Darth Vader

3308
02:36:47,890 --> 02:36:46,910
you know everybody knows he says Luke

3309
02:36:49,780 --> 02:36:47,900
I'm your father

3310
02:36:52,211 --> 02:36:49,790
right and the in the famous scene Luke

3311
02:36:56,770 --> 02:36:52,221
I'm your father right and we all know

3312
02:36:58,631 --> 02:36:56,780
that and and the toys that were made

3313
02:37:05,111 --> 02:36:58,641
with

3314
02:37:07,511 --> 02:37:05,121
in the movie you know and I it's it's

3315
02:37:09,220 --> 02:37:07,521
it's it's it's wait wait wait wait wait

3316
02:37:19,411 --> 02:37:09,230
what was that because something like

3317
02:37:22,961 --> 02:37:19,421
that was he says no I am your father

3318
02:37:25,211 --> 02:37:22,971
right but no I have no idea now I'm

3319
02:37:31,751 --> 02:37:25,221
totally confused about reality yeah and

3320
02:37:34,661 --> 02:37:31,761
and so and you know we can go back and

3321
02:37:37,900 --> 02:37:34,671
and if you look at things like Forrest

3322
02:37:40,390 --> 02:37:37,910
Gump you know and he's you know the he

3323
02:37:43,421 --> 02:37:40,400
was always you know what was the line

3324
02:37:47,081 --> 02:37:43,431
that he says life is like a box of

3325
02:37:51,310 --> 02:37:47,091
chocolates right right well he never

3326
02:37:53,560 --> 02:37:51,320
said that and we'd go back and go wait a

3327
02:37:56,051 --> 02:37:53,570
minute he said life is like a box of

3328
02:37:58,930 --> 02:37:56,061
chocolates and we all know that scene

3329
02:38:02,261 --> 02:37:58,940
and that's not what he said and now we

3330
02:38:06,600 --> 02:38:02,271
go back and you look at the the the clip

3331
02:38:09,791 --> 02:38:06,610
of the movie and he says now life was

3332
02:38:13,180 --> 02:38:09,801
like a box of chocolates and that

3333
02:38:15,791 --> 02:38:13,190
doesn't even compute with us second wait

3334
02:38:19,180 --> 02:38:15,801
a minute no that's it right so just

3335
02:38:20,951 --> 02:38:19,190
sorry to be boring here but I always

3336
02:38:22,301 --> 02:38:20,961
flip back and forth between boring and

3337
02:38:23,591 --> 02:38:22,311
interesting what I'm trying to

3338
02:38:25,180 --> 02:38:23,601
understand something from multiple

3339
02:38:28,541 --> 02:38:25,190
directions so here's the boring part of

3340
02:38:31,720 --> 02:38:28,551
me it says look that's because there's a

3341
02:38:33,190 --> 02:38:31,730
human life was like a box box of

3342
02:38:34,690 --> 02:38:33,200
chocolates was in the context of what

3343
02:38:36,551 --> 02:38:34,700
his mother said to him my mother always

3344
02:38:39,371 --> 02:38:36,561
said life was like a box of chocolates

3345
02:38:41,621 --> 02:38:39,381
well but we're extracting that and we're

3346
02:38:43,571 --> 02:38:41,631
all of our brains work similarly so we

3347
02:38:45,911 --> 02:38:43,581
decide well what's really the lesson

3348
02:38:48,761 --> 02:38:45,921
life is like a box of chocolates in

3349
02:38:50,680 --> 02:38:48,771
other words the part of it could be just

3350
02:38:52,690 --> 02:38:50,690
that the human brains generally works

3351
02:38:55,571 --> 02:38:52,700
similarly and so we make similar

3352
02:38:56,680 --> 02:38:55,581
mistakes we're given the same data so

3353
02:39:00,430 --> 02:38:56,690
I'm just saying that's the boring

3354
02:39:02,261 --> 02:39:00,440
explanation which is still kind of cool

3355
02:39:04,571 --> 02:39:02,271
that we're making similar mistakes using

3356
02:39:06,821 --> 02:39:04,581
the same data and it's worth considering

3357
02:39:08,890 --> 02:39:06,831
that explanation I don't I don't I don't

3358
02:39:10,631 --> 02:39:08,900
think that because an explanation is

3359
02:39:12,100 --> 02:39:10,641
kind of cooler and more fun this

3360
02:39:12,430 --> 02:39:12,110
alternative realities one is clearly

3361
02:39:14,230 --> 02:39:12,440
cool

3362
02:39:16,211 --> 02:39:14,240
learn more fun that is necessarily

3363
02:39:18,400 --> 02:39:16,221
correct you know right right

3364
02:39:24,011 --> 02:39:18,410
well okay I'll give you another example

3365
02:39:28,121 --> 02:39:24,021
and it's not the the point is a very

3366
02:39:31,360 --> 02:39:28,131
simple one now what you are saying there

3367
02:39:33,461 --> 02:39:31,370
if we take that at face value okay we

3368
02:39:36,011 --> 02:39:33,471
ought were all screwed up we all think

3369
02:39:38,921 --> 02:39:36,021
the same messed up way and we all figure

3370
02:39:42,911 --> 02:39:38,931
it out on our own okay and then what

3371
02:39:48,570 --> 02:39:42,921
about the Silence of the Lambs and Jodie

3372
02:39:51,400 --> 02:39:48,580
Foster walks up to a Hannibal Lecter and

3373
02:39:53,261 --> 02:39:51,410
looks in and everybody knows exactly

3374
02:39:56,980 --> 02:39:53,271
what he says right there he says hello

3375
02:40:00,761 --> 02:39:56,990
Clarice right that's one of the most

3376
02:40:04,541 --> 02:40:00,771
quoted lines in movie history and it was

3377
02:40:12,220 --> 02:40:04,551
never said it was never it wouldn't even

3378
02:40:16,360 --> 02:40:12,230
close he said good morning now that what

3379
02:40:20,581 --> 02:40:16,370
your your methodology to figuring this

3380
02:40:29,740 --> 02:40:25,270
well I mean some of the problem is we

3381
02:40:30,310 --> 02:40:29,750
don't understand how I mean I don't know

3382
02:40:32,230 --> 02:40:30,320
I don't

3383
02:40:34,390 --> 02:40:32,240
that movie was hard for me to take and

3384
02:40:37,780 --> 02:40:34,400
I'd have no memories from it except that

3385
02:40:39,450 --> 02:40:37,790
I had to turn it off but um well you've

3386
02:40:47,440 --> 02:40:39,460
seen Snow White

3387
02:40:50,530 --> 02:40:47,450
sure okay well you know an evil

3388
02:40:56,200 --> 02:40:50,540
stepmother right goes up and says says

3389
02:40:59,411 --> 02:40:56,210
what in the mirror that's right it was

3390
02:41:01,030 --> 02:40:59,421
never said well come on something like

3391
02:41:03,490 --> 02:41:01,040
that was said so what is it that was

3392
02:41:07,780 --> 02:41:03,500
that I see but that's that's exactly the

3393
02:41:14,140 --> 02:41:07,790
point you know what she says is magic

3394
02:41:17,860 --> 02:41:14,150
mirror on the wall but but all I'm

3395
02:41:21,070 --> 02:41:17,870
saying is something is changing all of I

3396
02:41:22,719 --> 02:41:21,080
could go on and on and on and on

3397
02:41:24,280 --> 02:41:22,729
that's what right so what an explanation

3398
02:41:26,230 --> 02:41:24,290
is that something is changing all our

3399
02:41:28,240 --> 02:41:26,240
memories and maybe it's timing like I

3400
02:41:29,559 --> 02:41:28,250
get the argument now it's kind of like

3401
02:41:31,450 --> 02:41:29,569
maybe there's time-travel and these

3402
02:41:33,370 --> 02:41:31,460
small things have shifted and we who

3403
02:41:34,960 --> 02:41:33,380
have experienced this other reality are

3404
02:41:36,429 --> 02:41:34,970
sort of stuck in this different time

3405
02:41:39,929 --> 02:41:36,439
stream so I get that that's kind of the

3406
02:41:43,330 --> 02:41:39,939
argument that's a cool argument I don't

3407
02:41:44,830 --> 02:41:43,340
those kinds of explanations to me yeah

3408
02:41:48,490 --> 02:41:44,840
I'm not okay

3409
02:41:51,010 --> 02:41:48,500
my favorite peanut butter growing up was

3410
02:41:54,130 --> 02:41:51,020
jiffy that's what I preferred and I

3411
02:41:56,860 --> 02:41:54,140
prefer jiffy extra creamy that was my

3412
02:41:59,620 --> 02:41:56,870
thing and and I ate it all the time did

3413
02:42:00,730 --> 02:41:59,630
you ever have jiffy peanut butter no my

3414
02:42:04,430 --> 02:42:00,740
mother wouldn't buy it it was called

3415
02:42:10,290 --> 02:42:08,520
do you think so are you sure Jeff I

3416
02:42:12,450 --> 02:42:10,300
think it was called Jeff yeah my mother

3417
02:42:15,210 --> 02:42:12,460
wouldn't buy by it and so I was just

3418
02:42:18,150 --> 02:42:15,220
like that was jealous of the kids who

3419
02:42:20,790 --> 02:42:18,160
got to eat Jeff right all right I see

3420
02:42:22,680 --> 02:42:20,800
it's possible right so I'm trying to so

3421
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:22,690
I think you're saying which is correct

3422
02:42:29,820 --> 02:42:25,930
by the way I see you don't know no see

3423
02:42:33,230 --> 02:42:29,830
and again it just messes it just messes

3424
02:42:37,320 --> 02:42:33,240
with me and when we look at things like

3425
02:42:39,120 --> 02:42:37,330
interview with a vampire which you know

3426
02:42:41,760 --> 02:42:39,130
I read the book and saw the movie and

3427
02:42:44,219 --> 02:42:41,770
was a big fan of Anne Rice and when I

3428
02:42:49,980 --> 02:42:44,229
find out that you know it was an

3429
02:42:52,770 --> 02:42:49,990
interview with with it was an interview

3430
02:42:56,280 --> 02:42:52,780
with a vampire it's interview with the

3431
02:42:58,920 --> 02:42:56,290
vampire I had to go back and and get the

3432
02:43:03,360 --> 02:42:58,930
book and look because there was just no

3433
02:43:08,910 --> 02:43:03,370
way that that could be so III don't

3434
02:43:11,370 --> 02:43:08,920
understand and when we look at as a

3435
02:43:16,380 --> 02:43:11,380
whole I could I could refer to Twitter

3436
02:43:21,450 --> 02:43:16,390
right now and I am sure that everybody

3437
02:43:24,960 --> 02:43:21,460
is is giving their examples like oh one

3438
02:43:28,440 --> 02:43:24,970
of the the ones that stumped me was what

3439
02:43:30,090 --> 02:43:28,450
year was the Challenger disaster do you

3440
02:43:33,210 --> 02:43:30,100
remember where you were for the

3441
02:43:35,610 --> 02:43:33,220
Challenger disaster that fourth grade

3442
02:43:38,969 --> 02:43:35,620
looking at it yeah so what year was the

3443
02:43:44,510 --> 02:43:38,979
4th grade for you so let's see it was 10

3444
02:43:52,080 --> 02:43:44,520
so that was 1979 okay are you ready

3445
02:43:58,650 --> 02:43:52,090
no 1985 what that's right what year was

3446
02:44:02,790 --> 02:43:58,660
it for you for me it was I I thought it

3447
02:44:04,500 --> 02:44:02,800
was 1984 1985 I would have been in high

3448
02:44:07,020 --> 02:44:04,510
school but I was sitting in my middle

3449
02:44:11,969 --> 02:44:07,030
school like either fourth or fifth grade

3450
02:44:14,790 --> 02:44:11,979
classroom mm-hmm exactly and when when I

3451
02:44:15,599 --> 02:44:14,800
was hit with that I know exactly where I

3452
02:44:19,080 --> 02:44:15,609
was

3453
02:44:21,929 --> 02:44:19,090
that morning because III know I know I

3454
02:44:24,899 --> 02:44:21,939
wanted to discuss you in a second for me

3455
02:44:27,269 --> 02:44:24,909
I had driven my lead singer to work

3456
02:44:29,580 --> 02:44:27,279
because he didn't have a car and he only

3457
02:44:31,619 --> 02:44:29,590
lived with me for three months and I

3458
02:44:35,149 --> 02:44:31,629
came home after driving him to work and

3459
02:44:39,989 --> 02:44:35,159
I turned on the TV and I watched it and

3460
02:44:45,599 --> 02:44:39,999
to have it turn out to be a whole lot

3461
02:44:51,719 --> 02:44:45,609
for a second let's just go to Challenger

3462
02:44:56,639 --> 02:44:51,729
I just looked it up 20 January 20th 1986

3463
02:44:59,790 --> 02:44:56,649
yeah 1986 I thought it was 1985 now and

3464
02:45:02,429 --> 02:44:59,800
and I had my reasons for 1985 because I

3465
02:45:05,159 --> 02:45:02,439
know where I was and as it turns out it

3466
02:45:09,090 --> 02:45:05,169
happened a year later than my memory

3467
02:45:10,769 --> 02:45:09,100
you're saying 1979 and you specifically

3468
02:45:13,109 --> 02:45:10,779
remember it in the fourth grade I

3469
02:45:14,279 --> 02:45:13,119
remember being in that teacher's

3470
02:45:16,769 --> 02:45:14,289
classroom I mean I

3471
02:45:18,420 --> 02:45:16,779
okay even if I miss remembered by four

3472
02:45:19,889 --> 02:45:18,430
years and I was in eighth grade I was

3473
02:45:23,340 --> 02:45:19,899
not in high school that's a completely

3474
02:45:25,229 --> 02:45:23,350
different school I mean 1986 is the year

3475
02:45:27,479 --> 02:45:25,239
before I graduated high school right so

3476
02:45:29,639 --> 02:45:27,489
and you remember seeing this in the

3477
02:45:31,800 --> 02:45:29,649
fourth grade and as a very specific

3478
02:45:33,449 --> 02:45:31,810
class but let's assume my memory is

3479
02:45:35,670 --> 02:45:33,459
wrong and it's 8th grade because that

3480
02:45:37,439 --> 02:45:35,680
was the same school but still that's I

3481
02:45:39,989 --> 02:45:37,449
mean that school room is it's a

3482
02:45:43,489 --> 02:45:39,999
completely different school than my high

3483
02:45:49,800 --> 02:45:43,499
school it's just not the same building I

3484
02:45:51,809 --> 02:45:49,810
know I can't explain it what range of

3485
02:45:55,889 --> 02:45:51,819
times do other people I had yeah exactly

3486
02:45:59,969 --> 02:45:55,899
I've had people tell me it was you know

3487
02:46:03,179 --> 02:45:59,979
it's like picky year you know and I had

3488
02:46:07,229 --> 02:46:03,189
I had a caller call in Julia check this

3489
02:46:09,630 --> 02:46:07,239
out I had a call or call in and say that

3490
02:46:12,750 --> 02:46:09,640
they specifically remember being in

3491
02:46:16,219 --> 02:46:12,760
science class watching the shuttle

3492
02:46:19,369 --> 02:46:16,229
launch you know in in seventh grade in

3493
02:46:23,369 --> 02:46:19,379
what you know is like pick a year right

3494
02:46:26,489 --> 02:46:23,379
1982 1983 and and you know it was only

3495
02:46:28,830 --> 02:46:26,499
at that and they know exactly where they

3496
02:46:31,170 --> 02:46:28,840
were at that moment just like I do

3497
02:46:33,660 --> 02:46:31,180
and it has nothing to do with you know

3498
02:46:35,969 --> 02:46:33,670
January of 1986 because that puts them

3499
02:46:38,790 --> 02:46:35,979
in another school in another state in

3500
02:46:41,460 --> 02:46:38,800
another city and that would be

3501
02:46:43,889 --> 02:46:41,470
impossible you know and for you to go

3502
02:46:49,920 --> 02:46:43,899
directly at 1979

3503
02:46:55,880 --> 02:46:49,930
you said fourth grade 1979 yeah so when

3504
02:46:59,580 --> 02:46:55,890
I tell you it was 1986 seven years later

3505
02:47:03,090 --> 02:46:59,590
what does I mean I can't explain this I

3506
02:47:04,649 --> 02:47:03,100
I just can't you know and we can go with

3507
02:47:08,160 --> 02:47:04,659
faulty memory or trying to figure stuff

3508
02:47:10,290 --> 02:47:08,170
out but for you you know you know you're

3509
02:47:12,840 --> 02:47:10,300
a professional educator this is what you

3510
02:47:13,920 --> 02:47:12,850
do you've gone through you have PhD in

3511
02:47:21,479 --> 02:47:13,930
your name

3512
02:47:23,280 --> 02:47:21,489
resolve this in your own mind well I

3513
02:47:26,880 --> 02:47:23,290
mean I've only had a few seconds to

3514
02:47:28,380 --> 02:47:26,890
resolve it because I've okay because I

3515
02:47:31,889 --> 02:47:28,390
hadn't heard about this Challenger thing

3516
02:47:34,170 --> 02:47:31,899
and I had always had I've always thought

3517
02:47:35,939 --> 02:47:34,180
about the Madonna thing as potential

3518
02:47:41,809 --> 02:47:35,949
precognition and potential faulty memory

3519
02:47:48,599 --> 02:47:41,819
that's consistent across people so so

3520
02:47:50,069 --> 02:47:48,609
I'm working on resolving it and yeah so

3521
02:47:51,359 --> 02:47:50,079
it brings up this experience so here's

3522
02:47:53,189 --> 02:47:51,369
what they experienced that it brings up

3523
02:47:54,750 --> 02:47:53,199
and that were just just so you know like

3524
02:47:56,399 --> 02:47:54,760
all this stuff we're talking about is so

3525
02:47:58,649 --> 02:47:56,409
speculated from the point of view of

3526
02:48:00,689 --> 02:47:58,659
science and yet of course very

3527
02:48:03,149 --> 02:48:00,699
interesting so I just wanted to bring

3528
02:48:07,519 --> 02:48:03,159
that up again but I had this experience

3529
02:48:11,819 --> 02:48:07,529
with my husband about five years ago

3530
02:48:13,500 --> 02:48:11,829
when he was he had a very bad disease

3531
02:48:17,429 --> 02:48:13,510
and was basically on the road to dying

3532
02:48:19,469 --> 02:48:17,439
and whatever you know everyone just knew

3533
02:48:24,960 --> 02:48:19,479
he was gonna die and he was in the

3534
02:48:26,490 --> 02:48:24,970
hospital and he did in fact pass out and

3535
02:48:28,769 --> 02:48:26,500
then he was on the road to death and

3536
02:48:31,889 --> 02:48:28,779
then he was on the lung transplant list

3537
02:48:33,059 --> 02:48:31,899
and there were suddenly I went to sleep

3538
02:48:35,250 --> 02:48:33,069
and I woke up and there was a nurse

3539
02:48:37,469 --> 02:48:35,260
telling me there were lungs for him and

3540
02:48:39,000 --> 02:48:37,479
then after the surgery he survived and

3541
02:48:42,599 --> 02:48:39,010
it's more than five years later and he

3542
02:48:44,760 --> 02:48:42,609
said doing great and he and I

3543
02:48:47,460 --> 02:48:44,770
both talk about something that we can't

3544
02:48:50,909 --> 02:48:47,470
prove but that we absolutely both felt

3545
02:48:53,460 --> 02:48:50,919
which was that there was something

3546
02:48:55,500 --> 02:48:53,470
happened like we both sort of described

3547
02:48:58,349 --> 02:48:55,510
it as like tectonic plates shifting in

3548
02:49:00,989 --> 02:48:58,359
time or something where in fact there

3549
02:49:02,540 --> 02:49:00,999
was a path in which he did die but we're

3550
02:49:05,580 --> 02:49:02,550
not on that path

3551
02:49:07,319 --> 02:49:05,590
something was shifted and we and we're

3552
02:49:09,599 --> 02:49:07,329
on this other path and that's really how

3553
02:49:11,340 --> 02:49:09,609
it felt and I've had very difficult

3554
02:49:12,899 --> 02:49:11,350
events happen in my life and that

3555
02:49:15,869 --> 02:49:12,909
haven't felt like this but this felt

3556
02:49:17,609 --> 02:49:15,879
like that and we don't know how to sort

3557
02:49:20,250 --> 02:49:17,619
of talk about it or think about it so

3558
02:49:22,559 --> 02:49:20,260
that the Challenger thing now that

3559
02:49:24,800 --> 02:49:22,569
you've brought this to my attention in

3560
02:49:28,080 --> 02:49:24,810
my own experience which is so clear

3561
02:49:32,219 --> 02:49:28,090
reminded me of that of some kind of

3562
02:49:34,769 --> 02:49:32,229
temporal tectonic plates shifting and

3563
02:49:39,059 --> 02:49:34,779
it's a different timeline being

3564
02:49:41,719 --> 02:49:39,069
developed for people and just maybe it's

3565
02:49:47,969 --> 02:49:41,729
the case that our timelines don't match

3566
02:49:52,559 --> 02:49:47,979
yeah could it be and this is and I'm ok

3567
02:49:56,250 --> 02:49:52,569
with this could it be that this the

3568
02:49:59,909 --> 02:49:56,260
contact with a parallel version of our

3569
02:50:02,309 --> 02:49:59,919
world just got a little bit too close

3570
02:50:05,880 --> 02:50:02,319
you know and at these very specific

3571
02:50:08,130 --> 02:50:05,890
events something blended across that's

3572
02:50:10,139 --> 02:50:08,140
all and for each of us we're

3573
02:50:13,979 --> 02:50:10,149
experiencing it just a little bit

3574
02:50:17,309 --> 02:50:13,989
different and in your situation the

3575
02:50:21,689 --> 02:50:17,319
Challenger accident did happen for you

3576
02:50:23,790 --> 02:50:21,699
in 1979 because then it you know it just

3577
02:50:25,409 --> 02:50:23,800
blended across and that's it and it just

3578
02:50:27,779 --> 02:50:25,419
happened then and that's your experience

3579
02:50:32,750 --> 02:50:27,789
and that's how you remember it

3580
02:50:36,000 --> 02:50:32,760
you know so and I'm ok with that but it

3581
02:50:40,199 --> 02:50:36,010
it I would rather have that be the case

3582
02:50:43,409 --> 02:50:40,209
than everybody be crazy that's the part

3583
02:50:45,389 --> 02:50:43,419
that that I don't want to have you know

3584
02:50:48,689 --> 02:50:45,399
that we're all remembering things wrong

3585
02:50:50,729 --> 02:50:48,699
well then then we have to sit here and

3586
02:50:53,159 --> 02:50:50,739
question everything about our past or

3587
02:50:54,779 --> 02:50:53,169
fondest memories and and these things I

3588
02:50:56,560 --> 02:50:54,789
mean we definitely don't have perfect

3589
02:50:58,570 --> 02:50:56,570
memory we definitely need to question

3590
02:51:00,400 --> 02:50:58,580
and not assume that all of our memories

3591
02:51:04,631 --> 02:51:00,410
are correct definitely definitely

3592
02:51:07,360 --> 02:51:04,641
definitely but when you have a important

3593
02:51:08,501 --> 02:51:07,370
event like that you know these kind of

3594
02:51:10,150 --> 02:51:08,511
important bets you remember where you

3595
02:51:13,570 --> 02:51:10,160
were I remember when where I was when

3596
02:51:17,770 --> 02:51:13,580
Reagan was shot these kind of world

3597
02:51:22,900 --> 02:51:17,780
events you you remember what you was he

3598
02:51:24,791 --> 02:51:22,910
what what year was he shot you remember

3599
02:51:26,230 --> 02:51:24,801
where you know my friends so I don't

3600
02:51:28,660 --> 02:51:26,240
remember the year I remember I was at my

3601
02:51:33,910 --> 02:51:28,670
friend Jane's house and I used to play

3602
02:51:36,310 --> 02:51:33,920
with Jane in let's see I must have it

3603
02:51:37,810 --> 02:51:36,320
must have been don't Google it don't I'm

3604
02:51:39,671 --> 02:51:37,820
not I'm not I'm just sitting here trying

3605
02:51:40,961 --> 02:51:39,681
to remember I would play with her and

3606
02:51:48,370 --> 02:51:40,971
how old was I

3607
02:51:51,551 --> 02:51:48,380
god I think it was like 1980 well I know

3608
02:51:54,220 --> 02:51:51,561
where I was I was in Fort Lauderdale my

3609
02:52:00,751 --> 02:51:54,230
senior year I was down there for spring

3610
02:52:06,220 --> 02:52:00,761
break and so that would have been a

3611
02:52:08,921 --> 02:52:06,230
Febuary March February March 1981 okay

3612
02:52:12,671 --> 02:52:08,931
so when was he shot one was Reagan let's

3613
02:52:15,610 --> 02:52:12,681
actually look it up now Reagan March 30

3614
02:52:18,370 --> 02:52:15,620
is the 1981 nice yeah okay I believe you

3615
02:52:21,070 --> 02:52:18,380
because my year was a question mark okay

3616
02:52:23,430 --> 02:52:21,080
so that doesn't seem to be different I

3617
02:52:25,751 --> 02:52:23,440
mean I don't know so these the idea see

3618
02:52:28,390 --> 02:52:25,761
this whole this brings us back to this

3619
02:52:30,910 --> 02:52:28,400
whole thing which is that the construct

3620
02:52:33,430 --> 02:52:30,920
of time the idea that just because we

3621
02:52:36,220 --> 02:52:33,440
tend to sort of agree that today is you

3622
02:52:39,520 --> 02:52:36,230
know Wednesday in the Western Hemisphere

3623
02:52:41,560 --> 02:52:39,530
still doesn't necessarily mean that

3624
02:52:44,740 --> 02:52:41,570
everyone's having the same timeline or

3625
02:52:46,301 --> 02:52:44,750
sharing the same timeline so this is

3626
02:52:47,620 --> 02:52:46,311
interesting that I never thought of the

3627
02:52:50,261 --> 02:52:47,630
Mandela effect is sort of a general

3628
02:52:51,881 --> 02:52:50,271
demonstration of that people might not

3629
02:52:55,030 --> 02:52:51,891
share the same time deadlines but that's

3630
02:52:58,470 --> 02:52:55,040
cool yeah and okay I'll throw one more

3631
02:53:01,480 --> 02:52:58,480
out at you we've got a one minute left

3632
02:53:02,950 --> 02:53:01,490
the JFK assassination don't look it up

3633
02:53:05,801 --> 02:53:02,960
don't look at any pictures don't do

3634
02:53:08,110 --> 02:53:05,811
anything okay okay we all know it was a

3635
02:53:09,910 --> 02:53:08,120
black convertible Lincoln Continental

3636
02:53:12,010 --> 02:53:09,920
right okay

3637
02:53:14,620 --> 02:53:12,020
don't know that because I I don't have a

3638
02:53:17,260 --> 02:53:14,630
sense of that okay well okay how many

3639
02:53:23,260 --> 02:53:17,270
people were in the car when he was shot

3640
02:53:25,090 --> 02:53:23,270
I thought three okay I'm cool with that

3641
02:53:28,929 --> 02:53:25,100
I don't know what the answer is to you

3642
02:53:32,260 --> 02:53:28,939
six really exactly

3643
02:53:36,880 --> 02:53:32,270
now when a caller caller called in one

3644
02:53:40,330 --> 02:53:36,890
night and hit me with that and I know I

3645
02:53:41,650 --> 02:53:40,340
said four uh-huh I'm one with four two

3646
02:53:44,170 --> 02:53:41,660
in the front seat two in the back seat

3647
02:53:49,900 --> 02:53:44,180
of course Jackie and and and JFK were in

3648
02:53:51,850 --> 02:53:49,910
the back seat six it was six she had two

3649
02:53:55,300 --> 02:53:51,860
Secret Service guys in the front yet

3650
02:53:57,429 --> 02:53:55,310
John Collin Connolly and his wife in the

3651
02:54:01,990 --> 02:53:57,439
two middle seats which I don't remember

3652
02:54:06,100 --> 02:54:02,000
and JFK and and Jackie O in the back oh

3653
02:54:07,830 --> 02:54:06,110
I see that that okay right that you can

3654
02:54:09,880 --> 02:54:07,840
I'm just thinking like a cognitive

3655
02:54:11,710 --> 02:54:09,890
neuroscientist that you can explain on

3656
02:54:13,630 --> 02:54:11,720
it's very unusual to have a convertible

3657
02:54:15,760 --> 02:54:13,640
car that has three rows of seats so you

3658
02:54:18,070 --> 02:54:15,770
kind of edit out the middle row you do

3659
02:54:20,710 --> 02:54:18,080
except for I've watched that Zapruder

3660
02:54:23,679 --> 02:54:20,720
film like everybody else eight bazillion

3661
02:54:25,300 --> 02:54:23,689
and fifty-two times right and you go

3662
02:54:26,890 --> 02:54:25,310
back and now that you know that it's six

3663
02:54:29,469 --> 02:54:26,900
and you go back and you watch the zipper

3664
02:54:33,969 --> 02:54:29,479
there six it's uh you know it's just

3665
02:54:36,520 --> 02:54:33,979
obvious but I when I was asked this

3666
02:54:38,170 --> 02:54:36,530
question live on the air hi immediately

3667
02:54:39,880 --> 02:54:38,180
one four and I named the four that were

3668
02:54:43,510 --> 02:54:39,890
in the car and I just could not believe

3669
02:54:45,640 --> 02:54:43,520
it when I went back and watched and then

3670
02:54:47,170 --> 02:54:45,650
I went and there's a couple of mistakes

3671
02:54:48,070 --> 02:54:47,180
that have happened I've only got one

3672
02:54:50,800 --> 02:54:48,080
minute left

3673
02:54:53,770 --> 02:54:50,810
Julia but I wouldn't looked at the life

3674
02:54:56,560 --> 02:54:53,780
article of the assassination and they

3675
02:54:59,950 --> 02:54:56,570
show his car and it's a four-seater it's

3676
02:55:02,050 --> 02:54:59,960
a four-seater Lincoln and it's not six

3677
02:55:03,760 --> 02:55:02,060
and it's just like well you know I don't

3678
02:55:05,080 --> 02:55:03,770
know I don't know I don't know that's

3679
02:55:08,110 --> 02:55:05,090
right that's weird

3680
02:55:11,710 --> 02:55:08,120
yeah so what yeah I know I know I know

3681
02:55:14,801 --> 02:55:11,720
I know I know okay alright let's do this

3682
02:55:16,450 --> 02:55:14,811
first off thank you so much and we've

3683
02:55:18,551 --> 02:55:16,460
got Dean on the show tomorrow night I

3684
02:55:20,890 --> 02:55:18,561
cannot wait that's gonna be so much fun

3685
02:55:23,890 --> 02:55:20,900
yeah that's great yeah he is I have not

3686
02:55:25,480 --> 02:55:23,900
interviewed him and I've wanted to do

3687
02:55:28,301 --> 02:55:25,490
this for so many years but tomorrow

3688
02:55:30,400 --> 02:55:28,311
19:00 Raiden is here the book is the

3689
02:55:32,591 --> 02:55:30,410
premonition code I know I've got links

3690
02:55:35,650 --> 02:55:32,601
up for it over at Jimmy Church radio

3691
02:55:38,261 --> 02:55:35,660
calm but your website which is maas

3692
02:55:40,870 --> 02:55:38,271
bridge institute calm and of course the

3693
02:55:43,150 --> 02:55:40,880
premonition koat.com and everybody can

3694
02:55:45,210 --> 02:55:43,160
get the books and and read reviews and

3695
02:55:47,410 --> 02:55:45,220
do everything right there right

3696
02:55:49,330 --> 02:55:47,420
absolutely and you can practice and you

3697
02:55:51,160 --> 02:55:49,340
could be tested and you can be in the

3698
02:55:53,920 --> 02:55:51,170
precognition Hall of Fame if you like

3699
02:55:56,170 --> 02:55:53,930
you know Jimmy I just want to say I love

3700
02:55:58,360 --> 02:55:56,180
it when I get to be involved in the

3701
02:56:00,190 --> 02:55:58,370
conversation that makes me think and in

3702
02:56:01,720 --> 02:56:00,200
which I learned something this makes me

3703
02:56:04,120 --> 02:56:01,730
really happy so thanks a lot you made my

3704
02:56:06,160 --> 02:56:04,130
day what that's what I do I do the same

3705
02:56:07,870 --> 02:56:06,170
thing I just want to learn something I

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want to come away from the show and if

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you and I do that think about it the

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audience did it right along with us and

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that is the gift of doing these kinds of

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shows and having this kind of

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conversation thank you so much awesome

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thank you and I'll talk to you soon and

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I can't wait now when we count next time

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you're on the show we will be doing John

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Titor 101 I'll talk to you so much and

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I'll see you soon

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and tomorrow night Dean Radin is here

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thank you so much Julia take care have a

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great night she's up there right now at

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the Institute of noetic sciences and it

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02:56:48,130 --> 02:56:45,920
was so cool to hear the cleaning crew in

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the background but that's where she is

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right now doing the show live and

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tomorrow night now again I want to

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remind everybody the premonition code

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you can go and get it at Amazon the

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links are up at Jimmy Church radio calm

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02:57:05,170 --> 02:57:03,050
but her websites are Maas Bridge

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02:57:08,500 --> 02:57:05,180
Institute calm over at Jimmy Church

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radio and the premonition code dot-com

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the book I've read it from cover to

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02:57:17,110 --> 02:57:13,580
cover it is absolutely fantastic and a

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02:57:18,790 --> 02:57:17,120
real page-turner and now a couple of

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things really quick I've got to get out

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02:57:21,541 --> 02:57:20,450
of here tomorrow night Dean Radin is

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going to be here

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want to remind everybody I know Thursday

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night is open lines here at fade to

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black

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we're not going to be doing that

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02:57:34,171 --> 02:57:31,690
tomorrow night Dean Radin is going to be

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here and now we're gonna be discussing

3743
02:57:38,970 --> 02:57:37,421
not only magic but we're gonna be

3744
02:57:40,741 --> 02:57:38,980
talking about what goes on at the

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quantum level too as well

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he's been doing this research and been

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02:57:47,911 --> 02:57:45,101
bringing the science forward with all of

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02:57:49,921 --> 02:57:47,921
this when it comes to telekinesis and

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02:57:52,201 --> 02:57:49,931
the power of the mind and magic and what

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02:57:54,751 --> 02:57:52,211
is really going on and the realities of

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02:57:57,091 --> 02:57:54,761
that it's been doing it for years nobody

3752
02:57:59,041 --> 02:57:57,101
better than Dean Radin when we're

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02:58:01,140 --> 02:57:59,051
talking about these subjects so with

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02:58:03,151 --> 02:58:01,150
that I'm gonna get out of here I want

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02:58:06,121 --> 02:58:03,161
everybody to have just a great fantastic

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02:58:07,801 --> 02:58:06,131
night enjoy yourselves and I'll see you

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02:58:10,231 --> 02:58:07,811
right here tomorrow night I'm paid to

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02:58:12,121 --> 02:58:10,241
block betablox executive producers

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02:58:15,481 --> 02:58:12,131
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02:58:35,551 --> 02:58:34,421
thing Julia Moss bridge amazing

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02:58:38,430 --> 02:58:35,561
conversation tonight

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02:58:39,961 --> 02:58:38,440
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02:58:46,591 --> 02:58:44,291
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network I'm Yours to the church follow

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02:58:56,161 --> 02:58:53,471
me on Twitter at Jay Church radio until

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02:59:00,590 --> 02:58:56,171
tomorrow night everybody be saved